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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#65826: Jan 5th 2017 at 3:55:47 PM

Yup, posted higher on this page. Might check out This Is Us with that mention, show sounds like it could be pretty interesting.

And yes I expect Asgard might be destroyed at the end of Ragnarok even if most of the main cast survives. It'll be a shame since we never really got a chance to explore the world due to being stuck on Earth too much but it'll allow for a soft reset of the Thor franchise after its mostly rough lifespan.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#65827: Jan 5th 2017 at 4:16:52 PM

Lending to this the Russos said something about Thor being in a very different headspace after Ragnarok. So Asgard being destroyed or at least chunks of his supporting cast dying would likely inform his characterization.

(Especially if the theory Hela is basically Death in Infinity War holds true.)

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#65828: Jan 5th 2017 at 7:41:57 PM

If they ever want to bring Asgard to Earth like it was in the comics for a time, Thor: Ragnorok would be the time to do it.

Perhaps Thor realizes that the only way to beat Hela and Surtur is to trap them in Asgard's realm of existence by shifting what remains of Asgard (and by extension all of the paths off Asgard) to Earth.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#65829: Jan 6th 2017 at 4:32:07 AM

I don't think that this would be a good idea...having Asgard on Earth would create just another ball for future movies to juggle. Better to keep it separate.

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#65831: Jan 6th 2017 at 9:39:02 AM

[up][up] It could work if they went down a similar route to the JMS/Gillen Thor runs where Asgard is essentially a separate and distinct nation that happens to share space with certain Earth countries. That way the Asgardians as a whole could be regarded the same way as Wakandans/Americans/any other nationalities whereby those who wish to participate actively can and those who want to remain in their own borders are able to.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#65832: Jan 6th 2017 at 9:52:34 AM

The issue is that Asgardians are an entire race of super beings. A nation of them just getting dumped on Earth is going to have to be addressed.

edited 6th Jan '17 10:29:16 AM by Kostya

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#65835: Jan 6th 2017 at 10:20:51 AM

I don't think that this would be a good idea...having Asgard on Earth would create just another ball for future movies to juggle.

Not necessarily. If the Asgardians plop on Earth and create their own isolationist embassy sort of place with strict rules about anyone trespassing, then there's no reason that a future story has to involve them beyond acknowledging their existence. It could easily just be another Wakanda.

If the Asgardians plop on Earth and only a select few know about it, even moreso. Though then we probably wouldn't get Bill - Son of Bills - and Kelda.

Most of the characters coming up with movies don't even have reason to be affected: Carol does because she's in the army, and Strange since he's shown interest in keeping Asgardians the fuck off Earth.

edited 6th Jan '17 10:28:16 AM by KnownUnknown

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#65836: Jan 6th 2017 at 2:23:58 PM

[up][up][up][up] Again, just copy the JMS approach to the same issue - leave Asgard alone and the Asgardians will leave you alone. Them being a super powered race will only be an issue if you make it one. If anyone does decide to try and pick a fight with them, then they will deal with the repercussions but live and let live is the default stance.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Bongi from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2016
#65837: Jan 6th 2017 at 2:57:27 PM

I don't think live and let live is possible with a warrior race of super strong and technologically advanced immortals who have basically proactively kept the peace in their section of the galaxy for thousands of years

Boom...
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#65838: Jan 6th 2017 at 4:02:10 PM

Seems kind of cynical, but okay.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#65839: Jan 6th 2017 at 4:08:50 PM

AOS showed us what happened if relatively weak Asgardians come to Earth. I certainly wouldn't want to deal with an entire nation of them. True they could just be isolationist but that doesn't mean there won't be opportunistic types that try to attack human society.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#65840: Jan 6th 2017 at 6:03:56 PM

[up] I think it would be understood that the Asgardians would police their own. Also the only hostile Asgardian we saw in Ao S was Lorelai, and she certainly wasn't a normal Asgardian.

I think MCU Earth is likely already more then capable of dealing with your average Asgardian. Any real nasty ones could be handled by Thor.

Also the concept I'm working with is that this would be a last, desperate move to ensure any Asgardians survive Ragnarok at all. Which means there might not be all that many Asgardians left to cause problems.

edited 6th Jan '17 6:08:00 PM by Falrinn

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#65841: Jan 6th 2017 at 11:59:49 PM

People remember that humans have weapons that can hurt Asgardians and other aliens right?

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#65842: Jan 7th 2017 at 1:17:53 AM

If they put Asgard on Earth, then every time a potentially world-ending crisis comes up, they'd have to address the "why doesn't Asgard take care of it?" question. Even if they're ultra-isolationist, they're not gonna stand by while the planet they're living on is about to be enslaved and/or destroyed. And given that your average Asgardian is stronger than most Avengers, while their technology puts Stark tech to shame, they could quickly make everyone else seem irrelevant.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#65843: Jan 7th 2017 at 1:27:44 AM

I'd actually like to see Asgard-on-Earth in the MCU, even if it does beg a lot of questions. If you do need an excuse, if Asgard was destroyed, you'd have a good reason for why there aren't many Asgardians left, and the ones that are there could have an excuse for why they're depowered. Meanwhile, it would probably put the other Seven Realms into panic mode. So where are the Asgardians? Off fighting the trolls.

I would also wonder if getting Asgard out of the way to raise the stakes or Infinity War hadn't been part of the plan all along.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#65844: Jan 7th 2017 at 6:55:45 AM

How did the comics handle it when Asgard was floating over a corn state?

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#65845: Jan 7th 2017 at 7:12:38 AM

The pilots for Runaways and Cloak and Dagger start shooting in February.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#65846: Jan 7th 2017 at 7:18:12 AM

More excited about the former than the latter.

Unless they cut out the future dinosaur for budget reasons in which case its much of a muchness.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#65847: Jan 7th 2017 at 7:44:19 AM

I've no interest in either show, but I hope they make it for those who want them.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#65848: Jan 7th 2017 at 7:59:52 AM

I am curious for both shows...I also wonder if we get to see guest appearance of already established MCU characters.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#65849: Jan 7th 2017 at 9:59:03 AM

How did the comics handle it when Asgard was floating over a corn state?

Iron Man showed up to complain and bully Thor into putting Asgard under U.S. control. Thor kicked his ass.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#65850: Jan 7th 2017 at 10:43:10 AM

Btw, if those shows start shooting soon, does that mean there has already been casting news?


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