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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#65676: Dec 11th 2016 at 3:18:53 PM

[up] You need ideas and the ability to pick the ones which work. Which is why I said that the important question is who will write the final version of the script. He will decide which ideas stay and which go.

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#65677: Dec 11th 2016 at 3:36:39 PM

The problem is rarely too few ideas, the issue is about discipline. On the one hand you need to have the discipline to toss out extraneous story and plot devices. On the other hand you need to build confidence in the story and the growing franchise.

The folly of ASM 2 and trying to build a shared universe of Spider-Man characters is that they are all unified through Spider-Man, and by the end of the film you're not aware of any characters who might have their own story to tell outside of Spider-Man. BVS had similar problems, but the was more confidence in the story and set up more characters for us to follow than just Superman.

UltimateLazer Since: Apr, 2016
#65678: Dec 11th 2016 at 5:18:45 PM

How do you guys think the gang will get back together for Infinity War?

I've been thinking about the future. How do you think they're going to pick up the pieces from where Civil War left off? We can assume that Steve, Sam, Wanda, Scott, and Clint will have been on the run for two years by the time it gets to Infinity War, and it will be hard for them being fugitives with very limited resources and wanted by almost every government in the world. Also, only Wanda has her powers naturally. Did the others manage to get their equipment back? If Ross and his men were smart, they would've stored their gear in a secret base, not on the Raft where they could easily get it if they broke free.

Not to mention Natasha is possibly on the run as well (with them or not, we don't know). Tony and Vision (and possibly Peter) are all that remains of the Pro-Reg Avengers (not counting Rhodes, who has been made invalid). Oh, and then there's T'Challa hiding Bucky, which could cause some political problems if it becomes known to the public. And who knows what will become of Thor and Banner after Ragnarok? It's anyone's guess at this point. All I can say it, getting them back to fighting side-by-side won't be an easy task, but a threat to all of humanity might be what it takes to do just that.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#65679: Dec 11th 2016 at 7:54:15 PM

It's kind of hard to say at this point. I was hoping for a little more of a lead-in to that in Doctor Strange, since we really haven't seen any of either side since Civil War. We don't even really know how anyone's coping, other than Tony being his usual self in the Homecoming trailer. I'm much more curious about Team Cap, though.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#65680: Dec 11th 2016 at 7:58:45 PM

I expect that for most of them, Tony will be the big issue.

Tony has his beef with Bucky, but Homecoming might give us a bit of an idea of how he feels on the matter now (not necessarily forgiveness, but maybe, time will let him understand why Cap did what he did).

Lets face it: If it was Rhodes who'd been in that situation, I can't picture Tony not going to bat for him the way Cap did for Bucky (they have the same god damn name).

That doesn't make it right, but I can see Tony at least coming to recognize that in time.

Like I said though, at the end of the whole thing, everyone except for Cap, Rhodey, Vision, and hilariously enough, Bucky probably hates and distrusts Tony more then ever.

I know I alway act like he's the biggest problem, but there are still some issues that need to be worked out with him.

One Strip! One Strip!
MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#65681: Dec 11th 2016 at 8:59:00 PM

You know, actually, I don't think Bucky does hate Tony. He's not happy with Tony trying to kill him, but in Bucky's mind, he had a good reason to do so. Remember what he said when Steve told him the Winter Soldier's actions weren't his fault "I know. But I did it.". He acknowledges that while he didn't want or choose any of those things, it was still his hands doing the dirty work.

It's rather the same kind of situation with Natasha and the Red Room. I'm willing to bet she did things every bit as bad as the WS, but I haven't seen anyone outside a few politicians at the end of Cap 2 express the belief that she should be prosecuted or even blamed for the things she did prior to joining SHIELD. Why should those standards not apply to Bucky as well?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#65682: Dec 11th 2016 at 9:13:00 PM

Well, yeah, I said Bucky wouldn't hate Tony. How could he?

It would be impossible for him to hate Tony even if he did want to live, because well...he murdered the dude's parents, and that was revealed in the absolute worst way possible.

There's a very very small number of people who wouldn't do what Tony did, let alone when they're in a high tech suit of powered armour.

One Strip! One Strip!
KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#65683: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:18:16 PM

It is kind of interesting to think about. Thor is supposed to be a space bound adventure while GOTG is also well divorced from Earth. That means any real set-up for Infinity War hangs on Homecoming.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#65684: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:21:19 PM

Like Infinity War isn't going to be set in space.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#65685: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:23:15 PM

That's a good point, although it'd still be weird to go from everyone being mad at each other to the plot of Armageddon in the time it took...Armageddon to get its crew together.

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#65686: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:39:55 PM

The big questions of Infinity War at this point is what instigates Thanos decision to come to Earth (more than just "I'll do it myself," the worst MCU stinger imaginable) and how the Avengers will assemble this time. GOTG or Thor might explain some of Thanos, but something needs to get the heroes on the same page.

edited 11th Dec '16 10:41:10 PM by KJMackley

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#65687: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:44:55 PM

[up]Thanos giving them an ultimatum to give him Vision or die?

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#65688: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:47:51 PM

I mean, it's split into two movies right?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#65689: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:56:15 PM

Infinity War is just one movie now. The fourth Avengers movie is going to be called something else, not Part II, but the story might still be related to Infinity War.

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#65690: Dec 11th 2016 at 11:35:23 PM

What exactly is the status quo at the end of Civil War? Are the Avengers regularly handling missions from the Oversight committee? Does Steve's team plan on guerrilla peacekeeping methods or is his entire team purely in hiding? The number one hurdle Infinity War is going to have is the sheer number of characters. Realize that only one superhero has actually died in the MCU, Quicksilver, and they have to juggle well over a dozen characters and what everyone is doing. Civil War kind of had it easy, as it was a Captain America movie and hyped up him vs. Iron Man, with everyone else as supporting characters. The Avengers are supposed to be the true ensemble movies.

In comparison, Winter Soldier established that there was going to be a lot of fallout from the HYDRA reveal and the Stinger was actually plot relevant. Even then I felt that Age of Ultron jumped into the story too quickly to get oriented.

UltimateLazer Since: Apr, 2016
#65691: Dec 12th 2016 at 12:03:33 AM

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It may have a different name but I expect the stories are still connected.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#65692: Dec 12th 2016 at 12:38:25 AM

The Civil War isn't over yet. It will impact the whole of Phase 3. But honestly, once the Avengers get over themselves, they can sit together, discuss a framework they are all comfortable with and then insist on that this is will replace the accords or they won't sign. Black Panther and Steven might even already working on something.

Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
King of Anime
#65693: Dec 12th 2016 at 10:01:00 PM

I have faith. Marvel hasn't put out a terrible movie yet.
Age of Ultron and Doctor Strange both exist.

edited 12th Dec '16 10:01:11 PM by Chariot

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#65694: Dec 12th 2016 at 10:03:07 PM

Your opinion is of course valid, but I don't consider Age of Ultron to be a terrible movie. I actually think it's fairly entertaining in sections - it's just that it's decidedly mediocre compared to its predecessor.

As for Doctor Strange, everybody knows I have no love for that movie, so I'm not going to be the one to defend it.

edited 12th Dec '16 10:03:21 PM by RBluefish

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#65695: Dec 12th 2016 at 10:11:21 PM

[up]Well I will. It's quite good, inventive visuals, and good acting.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#65696: Dec 12th 2016 at 10:11:41 PM

See, if you want to name a mediocre Marvel movie, then I'm genuinely irked that Age of Ultron (which I still like dammit), and Doctor Strange (which, while nothing great, is still good) get named....

and somehow FUCKING IRON MAN 3 slips by.

You both lose your fandom cred.

Turn yourselves in, and never show your faces to law abiding citizens again.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#65697: Dec 12th 2016 at 10:23:22 PM

Iron Man 3 wasn't that bad. It feels like Shane Black and RDJ finally got to make the sequel to Kiss Kiss Bang Bang they always wanted. And I'll defend that spin on the Mandarin to the goddamn death. Anyway, I thought people hated IM 2 just as much if not more?

I still wouldn't say any of them have been out-and-out terrible. Some have been kinda eh, but only by comparison.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#65698: Dec 12th 2016 at 10:24:30 PM

I quite liked Iron Man 3.

Iron Man 2 would be the one I name. Or maybe the majority of Thor 2

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#65699: Dec 12th 2016 at 10:29:27 PM

Generally speaking, most MCU movies have been well received up front. But in retrospect the weakest Marvel movies are considered to be the two Thor movies, Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 3 and Age of Ultron. Ant Man and Dr. Strange are middle ground, it has its fans but rarely tops any favorites.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#65700: Dec 12th 2016 at 10:31:17 PM

Thor 2 is the weakest movie.

Dr Strange was good and Ultron was decent albeit heavily flawed.


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