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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
You need ideas and the ability to pick the ones which work. Which is why I said that the important question is who will write the final version of the script. He will decide which ideas stay and which go.
The problem is rarely too few ideas, the issue is about discipline. On the one hand you need to have the discipline to toss out extraneous story and plot devices. On the other hand you need to build confidence in the story and the growing franchise.
The folly of ASM 2 and trying to build a shared universe of Spider-Man characters is that they are all unified through Spider-Man, and by the end of the film you're not aware of any characters who might have their own story to tell outside of Spider-Man. BVS had similar problems, but the was more confidence in the story and set up more characters for us to follow than just Superman.
How do you guys think the gang will get back together for Infinity War?
I've been thinking about the future. How do you think they're going to pick up the pieces from where Civil War left off? We can assume that Steve, Sam, Wanda, Scott, and Clint will have been on the run for two years by the time it gets to Infinity War, and it will be hard for them being fugitives with very limited resources and wanted by almost every government in the world. Also, only Wanda has her powers naturally. Did the others manage to get their equipment back? If Ross and his men were smart, they would've stored their gear in a secret base, not on the Raft where they could easily get it if they broke free.
Not to mention Natasha is possibly on the run as well (with them or not, we don't know). Tony and Vision (and possibly Peter) are all that remains of the Pro-Reg Avengers (not counting Rhodes, who has been made invalid). Oh, and then there's T'Challa hiding Bucky, which could cause some political problems if it becomes known to the public. And who knows what will become of Thor and Banner after Ragnarok? It's anyone's guess at this point. All I can say it, getting them back to fighting side-by-side won't be an easy task, but a threat to all of humanity might be what it takes to do just that.
Author.It's kind of hard to say at this point. I was hoping for a little more of a lead-in to that in Doctor Strange, since we really haven't seen any of either side since Civil War. We don't even really know how anyone's coping, other than Tony being his usual self in the Homecoming trailer. I'm much more curious about Team Cap, though.
I expect that for most of them, Tony will be the big issue.
Tony has his beef with Bucky, but Homecoming might give us a bit of an idea of how he feels on the matter now (not necessarily forgiveness, but maybe, time will let him understand why Cap did what he did).
Lets face it: If it was Rhodes who'd been in that situation, I can't picture Tony not going to bat for him the way Cap did for Bucky (they have the same god damn name).
That doesn't make it right, but I can see Tony at least coming to recognize that in time.
Like I said though, at the end of the whole thing, everyone except for Cap, Rhodey, Vision, and hilariously enough, Bucky probably hates and distrusts Tony more then ever.
I know I alway act like he's the biggest problem, but there are still some issues that need to be worked out with him.
One Strip! One Strip!You know, actually, I don't think Bucky does hate Tony. He's not happy with Tony trying to kill him, but in Bucky's mind, he had a good reason to do so. Remember what he said when Steve told him the Winter Soldier's actions weren't his fault "I know. But I did it.". He acknowledges that while he didn't want or choose any of those things, it was still his hands doing the dirty work.
It's rather the same kind of situation with Natasha and the Red Room. I'm willing to bet she did things every bit as bad as the WS, but I haven't seen anyone outside a few politicians at the end of Cap 2 express the belief that she should be prosecuted or even blamed for the things she did prior to joining SHIELD. Why should those standards not apply to Bucky as well?
Well, yeah, I said Bucky wouldn't hate Tony. How could he?
It would be impossible for him to hate Tony even if he did want to live, because well...he murdered the dude's parents, and that was revealed in the absolute worst way possible.
There's a very very small number of people who wouldn't do what Tony did, let alone when they're in a high tech suit of powered armour.
One Strip! One Strip!That's a good point, although it'd still be weird to go from everyone being mad at each other to the plot of Armageddon in the time it took...Armageddon to get its crew together.
The big questions of Infinity War at this point is what instigates Thanos decision to come to Earth (more than just "I'll do it myself," the worst MCU stinger imaginable) and how the Avengers will assemble this time. GOTG or Thor might explain some of Thanos, but something needs to get the heroes on the same page.
edited 11th Dec '16 10:41:10 PM by KJMackley
What exactly is the status quo at the end of Civil War? Are the Avengers regularly handling missions from the Oversight committee? Does Steve's team plan on guerrilla peacekeeping methods or is his entire team purely in hiding? The number one hurdle Infinity War is going to have is the sheer number of characters. Realize that only one superhero has actually died in the MCU, Quicksilver, and they have to juggle well over a dozen characters and what everyone is doing. Civil War kind of had it easy, as it was a Captain America movie and hyped up him vs. Iron Man, with everyone else as supporting characters. The Avengers are supposed to be the true ensemble movies.
In comparison, Winter Soldier established that there was going to be a lot of fallout from the HYDRA reveal and the Stinger was actually plot relevant. Even then I felt that Age of Ultron jumped into the story too quickly to get oriented.
The Civil War isn't over yet. It will impact the whole of Phase 3. But honestly, once the Avengers get over themselves, they can sit together, discuss a framework they are all comfortable with and then insist on that this is will replace the accords or they won't sign. Black Panther and Steven might even already working on something.
Your opinion is of course valid, but I don't consider Age of Ultron to be a terrible movie. I actually think it's fairly entertaining in sections - it's just that it's decidedly mediocre compared to its predecessor.
As for Doctor Strange, everybody knows I have no love for that movie, so I'm not going to be the one to defend it.
edited 12th Dec '16 10:03:21 PM by RBluefish
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."See, if you want to name a mediocre Marvel movie, then I'm genuinely irked that Age of Ultron (which I still like dammit), and Doctor Strange (which, while nothing great, is still good) get named....
and somehow FUCKING IRON MAN 3 slips by.
You both lose your fandom cred.
Turn yourselves in, and never show your faces to law abiding citizens again.
One Strip! One Strip!Iron Man 3 wasn't that bad. It feels like Shane Black and RDJ finally got to make the sequel to Kiss Kiss Bang Bang they always wanted. And I'll defend that spin on the Mandarin to the goddamn death. Anyway, I thought people hated IM 2 just as much if not more?
I still wouldn't say any of them have been out-and-out terrible. Some have been kinda eh, but only by comparison.
I quite liked Iron Man 3.
Iron Man 2 would be the one I name. Or maybe the majority of Thor 2
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