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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I honestly did not care about Spider-Man as a character until he showed up in Civil War.
So really, can anyone give me an honest reason it's easier to name him Peter than Miles aside from 'Well, there's only two"?
Though I admit I've never read either of their comics. Except for Miles's teamup with Gwenpool. Which was neat.
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I kinda do.
Yeah, Peter came first, but he who he is, and Miles is who he is. Even if Peter will never start shooting Venom Blasts, they're still eating away at an aspect of Mile's character to prop up Peter, when he already had plenty of stuff to work with.
I suppose they just wanted to avoid using any obvious companions like Mary Jane, Gwen or Harry (who all got their time in the previous movies in one form or another), but I can see the frustration.
And I say this not as a POC myself, but as a guy who likes Peter Parker as Peter Parker.
edited 9th Dec '16 10:11:56 PM by HandsomeRob
One Strip! One Strip!I honestly couldn't care less about the powers that Peter has (just as long as he's still Spider-Man). My concern has to with Miles' story being stolen when Peter Parker already has very established and very popular story. Peter Parker is an amazing character. There are numerous ways to tell his story without stealing beats from his successor (who, by the way, isn't even his successor). Plus, Miles broke racial barriers and played a huge part in adding some diversity to the Marvel comics. He deserves to have a theatrical release just as much as Black Panther deserves to have one. And appropriating him is borderline offensive.
edited 9th Dec '16 10:39:42 PM by deuteragonist
Yeah. It's in no way about the powers, because we've seen no indications that they'll divert from Peter's classic power loadout. It's about basic elements of Miles's character concept being taken away from him and given to Peter. It devalues both characters, and is also another insult to fans who want to see more diversity in the MCU. There were already people who were (not unreasonably) annoyed that we were getting a sixth movie about Peter Parker instead of one about Miles - for them, this is just salt in the wound.
- FANS: "Instead of a sixteenth movie about a white guy, could we maybe have a movie about the new and popular character Miles Morales?"
- MARVEL: "I tell ya what, we'll compromise. We'll do the white guy, but we'll give him a bunch of Miles's character traits, and never actually do Miles. How's that sound?"
- FANS: "..."
I don't doubt that the movie will be good, and I acknowledge that it's too early to tell to what degree they've drawn inspiration from Miles, but I won't pretend that I'm not still annoyed at the whole situation.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."I don't see him having Miles' character traits, just Ganke . Plus really if you guys thought you're going to get Miles anytime in the next ten years if ever you only have yourself to blame for your disappointment. Marvel was never going to scrap Peter and just make Miles Spider-Man, nor were they ever going to kill Peter off (a huge part of the M.C.U's appeal is the following each character build) or at least not until he gets a trilogy. It'd be way to huge a departure from the lore even for a franchise that largely doesn't care about that. This really doesn't affect Miles' chances of showing up because a) you can't get much lower and b) you might still get Miles just without Ganke.
I understand your guys concerns, but I don't see any "character traits" that Peter is stealing from Miles. The only thing I see as similar is that now Peter has a Ganke-like friend, but other than, how else is Peter being similar to Miles? Hell, Peter was part of Civil War and I didn't see any of Miles' traits in him then.
Also, the movie is out yet and the only footage we have is from the trailer, so judging any character is going to be very hit or miss.
Honestly, playing around with Peter's supporting staff is nothing new. The Spectacular Spider-Man Race Lifted the majority of white characters into minorities.
I have trying think of a way to carefully word this, but as a POC, do want Miles for the sake of diversity or because you believe he can stand on his own?
Honestly, to me, Miles will have difficulty working without his forerunner. Removing pieces from him might hurt, but it wouldn't make a future appearance unsalvageable. However, he isn't like characters Black Panther or Luke Cage. He doesn't have the history or story that makes him necessary.
I'm not saying they should have scrapped Peter Parker. That would be a terrible decision. And yeah, to be fair, he is STILL very much Peter Parker. I just don't understand why they felt the need to use Ganke's character and essentially use Miles storyline; even right down to how he found out about his identity. There's also a suspicious lack of classic Spidey characters. Yeah, sure, there's Liz Allen and Aunt May, but there's no Mary Jane, Gwen Stacy, Flash Thompson, Harry or Norman Osborn. Instead, we have Michelle (who looks ironically like Katie Bishop) and a very diverse cast; which, once again, probably never would have happened without Miles.
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BOTH. Diversity for diversity's sake is very rarely a bad thing (as long as everyone is represented well). However, Miles is a great character; he can totally have his own movie. But here's the thing: they SHOULD use Peter Parker first. He's freaking Spider-Man for crying out loud. But they should have used Peter's story for Peter and saved Miles' story for later or just left it alone; especially if they're not going to use him. Give us a few Peter Parker movies, but let Miles still have a role somehow. The marvel movies are really good at building a character up (kind of like how Sam Wilson is in the Captain America movies).
edited 9th Dec '16 11:46:53 PM by deuteragonist
edited 9th Dec '16 11:47:48 PM by alliterator
I asked this question beforehand, but I never got a satisfying answer: What exactly makes Miles so much different and better than Peter? Other than the origin, naturally, which is tied into Peter having existed at one point.....
See, this is exactly the reason why I don't really like legacy characters. They will always stand pretty much at the very end of the line when it comes to on-screen adaptation. In fact, it is very likely that Miss Marvel makes it on screen long before Miles does it. But characters like Falcon or Black Panther, they stand at the very beginning of their line from the get go.
Yeah, Peter is still Spider-Man, but he's kind of abandoned being street level at this point so I guess Miles has that covered.
My various fanfics.

Strongly agree, especially with the first point. I'm also a person of color and a big Miles fan, and I can't help but think "instead of cannibalizing a bunch of Miles's traits and giving them to Peter, couldn't you have just...done a Miles movie?" Not only does it do both characters a disservice, it seriously hampers the chance of getting a proper Miles introduction down the road. Because half of his characters traits will have already been done. By a white guy.
I mean, I like Peter as much as the next geek, but still - how many movies about white superheroes are we going to get? Not only that - how many movies about Peter? I'm not saying this doesn't look good and all, but we've already had five movies about Peter Parker. It would be nice to see somebody else put on the web shooters for a change.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."