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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#65576: Dec 9th 2016 at 12:43:52 PM

Ned is obviously Ganke which would be awkward enough if the film wasn't also hinting that Peter and Totes-Not-Ganke live together in a dorm, just like Miles.
I don't think that was a dorm, actually; it looked more like a motel room, which makes sense if the movie includes a field trip to Washington DC. (Also, we've seen where Peter lives in Civil War and it's not a dorm.)

Different characters are shown wearing different parts of the outfit/look.
I don't think we saw any part of the outfit in the trailer, we just various gadgets that he might use.

In the civil war Spiderman was little stronger than a super soldier.
Actually, I think he's a lot stronger than a super soldier — we never see him fight Cap hand-to-hand, only push and hold up things that are much, much heavier than himself.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#65577: Dec 9th 2016 at 12:55:50 PM

Hell, we see Spidey fight Bucky to a standstill.

Cross (Don’t ask)
#65578: Dec 9th 2016 at 1:01:01 PM

That didn't even qualifies as a fight.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#65579: Dec 9th 2016 at 1:02:13 PM

Standstill nothing. He stopped Bucky with ONE HAND.

My various fanfics.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#65580: Dec 9th 2016 at 1:07:22 PM

He pretty much mopped the floor with Bucky.

Then again, he was fighting Bucky.

Not the Winter Soldier.

The latter is a lot more ruthless, and might have fared better even against Pete's superior strength.

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#65581: Dec 9th 2016 at 1:09:02 PM

Unless he has weapons and is attacking from a safe distance, I doubt it would make a difference.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#65582: Dec 9th 2016 at 1:12:31 PM

Spidey managed to do more than just Curbstomp Bucky, he managed to downright ACCIDENTALLY Bucky.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#65583: Dec 9th 2016 at 1:24:37 PM

Good news everyone! Michael Bay will never direct a Marvel Cinematic Universe (or DCEU) film.

http://www.cbr.com/heres-why-michael-bay-will-never-make-a-marvel-or-dc-movie/

“I wouldn’t want to, it’s not my thing, it’s just not my gig,” said Bay. “I don’t ever wanna take someone like a third of something or second of something. I gotta do my own thing, ’cause the most fun is when a real director creates the world. You know, you talk to Ridley Scott, one of our favorite things to do is to create the world. Steven Spielberg, create the world. That is what it’s about. If I were to do something I would have to redo it my way.”

But that doesn’t mean Bay has any ill will towards superhero films or the Marvel movies. In fact, Bay had positive things to say about a few of them specifically. “I really liked ‘[Captain America:] Civil War.’ I like a lot of the Marvel movies,” said Bay. “When I saw [Iron Man], it broke a lot of new ground for me, and it was a great character. Funny, witty, I liked that about it.” Bay did add that he does “wonder where [superhero movies] are going to go,” specifically since he noticed that both “Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice” and “Captain America: Civil War” had “almost the same setup.”

BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
Time Stranger
#65584: Dec 9th 2016 at 1:25:43 PM

I think Spider-Man being physically stronger than Cap and Bucky shouldn't really surprise any one.

35 year old white man.
KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#65585: Dec 9th 2016 at 1:49:25 PM

^^ It's amusing how many people wrote articles saying "Michael Bay attacks Marvel movies" when that is absolutely false. He just said he's not a "third sequel" kind of director and wants more control over his films.

When it comes to close combat Spider-Man is one of the most powerful Marvel characters. He's even fought Hulk to a standstill, couldn't harm the Hulk but was too fast for Hulk to hit.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#65586: Dec 9th 2016 at 1:56:23 PM

Not a third sequel director when he's on a fifth Transformers movie.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#65587: Dec 9th 2016 at 1:58:52 PM

I think he means in the Shane Black or Taika Waititi sense, being brought in to direct a franchise someone else started. He's had consistent directorship over all of the Transformers movie hasn't he?

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#65588: Dec 9th 2016 at 1:59:23 PM

To be fair, he was top dog in all five Transformers, he'd be diving into a heavily established franchise if he took the reigns of an MCU movie at this point.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#65589: Dec 9th 2016 at 1:59:46 PM

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More or less, though the most recent one has a full writing team that's supposed to reign him in some, I think.

edited 9th Dec '16 1:59:57 PM by AdricDePsycho

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#65590: Dec 9th 2016 at 2:00:27 PM

I don't think we saw any part of the outfit in the trailer

We did. They've both got on padded yellow sleeves like the one Shocker has in the set pics. This would be consistent with the cast sheet that referred to Woodbine's character as "Herman Schultz/Shocker #2", the same one that turned out to be largely accurate with most of the other confirmed characters thus far.

edited 9th Dec '16 2:06:40 PM by comicwriter

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#65591: Dec 9th 2016 at 2:03:21 PM

Woodbine also has that metal gauntlet on his arm so I guess those leaked pics are legit after all? In which case another good job from the costuming department.

BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
Time Stranger
#65592: Dec 9th 2016 at 2:12:00 PM

It seems like the casting sheet with withe Woodbine as Shocker #2 makes sense now

edited 9th Dec '16 2:12:29 PM by BigBlackBangBro

35 year old white man.
KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#65593: Dec 9th 2016 at 2:13:16 PM

That's exactly it, he wants to build the movies from the ground up. He doesn't come in to the third movie and forced to emulate the look and design of the previous director(s). Any future directors of a Transformers film would have to keep a number of similar design choices and couldn't go completely fresh. In fact, the director of the first installment gets money for every later installment because they established the house style. Jon Favreau still got money for Iron Man 3 outside of playing Hogan. A number of television directors do just the pilot episode and they get money for every episode.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#65594: Dec 9th 2016 at 2:25:50 PM

There was never any danger of Bay directing a Marvel movie in the first place. Feige knows better than to hire him.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#65595: Dec 9th 2016 at 4:50:32 PM

You know, as angry as I am about Transformers (though Out of the Shadows was surprisingly entertaining), now I want to brainstorm what Marvel franchise would be a good fit for Michael Bay's style.

I can't be the only one curious right?

One Strip! One Strip!
MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#65596: Dec 9th 2016 at 4:53:25 PM

For the record, I wasn't complaining about his appearance, I was just surprised. I've been conditioned by decades of "teen" characters that looked like they were in their twenties. I actually think this is a good thing.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#65597: Dec 9th 2016 at 4:59:29 PM

You know, as angry as I am about Transformers (though Out of the Shadows was surprisingly entertaining), now I want to brainstorm what Marvel franchise would be a good fit for Michael Bay's style.
Technically, Transformers was a Marvel franchise. Marvel published a long running Transformers comic.

But if I had to say a Marvel franchise currently...probably Nextwave: Agents of HATE. Per this quote, it seems right up Bay's alley:

"I took The Authority and I stripped out all the plots, logic, character and sanity. (...) It's an absolute distillation of the superhero genre. No plot lines, characters, emotions, nothing whatsoever. It's people posing in the street for no good reason. It is people getting kicked, and then exploding. It is a pure comic book, and I will fight anyone who says otherwise. And afterwards, they will explode."

edited 9th Dec '16 5:00:15 PM by alliterator

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#65598: Dec 9th 2016 at 5:20:48 PM

Yeah.

That sounds about right.cool

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#65599: Dec 9th 2016 at 7:11:57 PM

Get some actual good actors in there and we might have ourselves a movie. Keyword being 'might'. It is still Michael Bay after all.tongue

edited 9th Dec '16 7:12:23 PM by kkhohoho

deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#65600: Dec 9th 2016 at 9:28:05 PM

Okay, so I have...very strong mixed feelings toward the new Spider-Man trailer.

As a Miles Morales fan, Peter Parker fan, and a Po C; I do not like, nor do I appreciate, that the producers appear to be taking the qualities that made Miles Morales such a groundbreaking, wonderful character and are giving them to Peter Parker. Its extremely unfair to both characters and even more so to the fans. I do like the fact that they're making cast diverse as possible, but Miles Morales' story being somewhat appropriated in the process kind of undermines that.

However, I still love Peter Parker and I loved Tom's portrayal in Civil War so I'm still excited regardless. The film looks like a lot of fun and I love that Tony is playing the mentor role. Its a good development for him.


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