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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#65551: Dec 9th 2016 at 7:03:50 AM

[up][up]Different characters are shown wearing different parts of the outfit/look.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#65552: Dec 9th 2016 at 7:04:14 AM

Aren't they working on an animated Spider-Man movie starring Miles that's set in the MCU?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#65553: Dec 9th 2016 at 7:08:34 AM

No. Sony is working on animated Spider-Man movie but we know literally nothing about it otherwise.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#65554: Dec 9th 2016 at 7:10:03 AM

What's strange is there was that early rumor that some white kid would be playing a "Ganke-like character" who would serve as Peter's confidante, which caused an uproar over supposedly whitewashing Ganke.

Now it looks like the initial report was accurate, just aimed at the entirely wrong character/actor.

BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
Time Stranger
#65555: Dec 9th 2016 at 7:37:19 AM

One has to wonder why they just call him Ganke?

35 year old white man.
dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#65557: Dec 9th 2016 at 9:26:56 AM

DBZ Abridged

  • Tony Stark: Wait a minute, something's wrong here.
  • Happy: Huh?
  • Tony Stark: Back on Civil War, Spiderman had trouble lifts a passenger stairway. Yet here he's able to hold a Ferry that is about to split in half together
  • Happy: What do you think happened?
  • Tony Stark: Well, either Steve and Bucky hit me so hard I'm in a delusional coma, or...
  • Happy: Or...?
  • Tony Stark: These movies are inconsistent.

edited 9th Dec '16 9:33:38 AM by dantecito

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#65558: Dec 9th 2016 at 9:27:43 AM

I think its a ferry, not an ocean liner

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#65559: Dec 9th 2016 at 9:42:38 AM

But it's still curious.

In the civil war Spiderman was little stronger than a super soldier.

In this trailer Spiderman is many stronger than a super-soldier.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#65560: Dec 9th 2016 at 9:45:21 AM

To be fair in Civil War he's holding it barehanded. Here he has his webs to serve as a middleman, which I assume takes a lot of the stress off his muscles.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#65561: Dec 9th 2016 at 9:46:23 AM

One of Spider-Man's biggest moments has always been straining his strength to his utmost.

Lifting heavy things off himself or stopping a train.

In Civil War, he's still green. He hasn't dug into his potential fully.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#65562: Dec 9th 2016 at 9:47:19 AM

Could be that he's not holding the whole ship together the way it looks like there. It's probably on the verge of breaking further, without having cracked all the way through the hull yet. I'm thinking the end of that shot is him pulling all those threads of webbing together, and then they hold the ship together. I'd love it if he goes on to spin a whole series of multiple webs within the ship at that point.

edited 9th Dec '16 9:58:39 AM by Unsung

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#65563: Dec 9th 2016 at 9:54:09 AM

These movies are inconsistent.

So you're saying completely faithful to the comics?tongue

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#65564: Dec 9th 2016 at 10:51:39 AM

It's generally a false assumption that what we see a character do is either their maximum potential OR easily replicated. It's all relative, we see Superman lift a car and we think that must be the upper end of his strength. Weight lifters are capable of deadlifting upwards of 1,000 pounds, but actually cleaning it (lifting to shoulder height) is in the 400 pound range. And that doesn't mean they don't strain a little bit trying to pick up a 200 pound bucket. Different motions and body positions have an impact on performance. And that's not getting into adrenaline enhanced performance.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#65565: Dec 9th 2016 at 10:59:13 AM

Also in Civil War it seemed like he was supposed to be a *lot* stronger than a super soldier as well. He catches that cargo container— not without strain, but that thing probably would've flattened just about anyone else in the field. I'm not even sure one of the Iron Man suits short of the Hulkbuster could deadlift it the way Spidey's holding it.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#65566: Dec 9th 2016 at 11:03:02 AM

I'm pretty sure Iron Man or War Machine could've easily carried it. I would be very surprised if Spidey is stronger than an armored Iron Man.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#65567: Dec 9th 2016 at 11:06:45 AM

Maybe? I'm sure they could pick it up, especially with their thrusters engaged, but I feel like we've seen them struggle with weights that seem like they would be less. Though there are probably other factors at work there. I picture more of a drag lift, I guess.

edited 9th Dec '16 11:07:49 AM by Unsung

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#65568: Dec 9th 2016 at 11:17:05 AM

I would point out that Captain America wins through maneuvers and tactics (IE predicting where Spider-Man is gonna attack and then being ready with his shield or a kick to the gut).

He never outmatches him a contest of raw strength or overpowers him in a fist fight.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#65569: Dec 9th 2016 at 11:23:15 AM

Indeed. He quickly figures out how strong Peter is and outsmarts (and outfights him).

In terms of pure speed and strength (and with the spider sense backing him when he remembers it), Steve was outclassed.

edited 9th Dec '16 11:23:55 AM by HandsomeRob

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#65570: Dec 9th 2016 at 11:33:44 AM

I am not able to lift my bed. I am perfectly capable of moving it over the ground though. I am even able to move it fast if I have my back to the wall and push with my feet.

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#65571: Dec 9th 2016 at 11:42:07 AM

Peter easily caught Bucky's punch and seemed rather casual about it. Spider-Man is supposed to have proportional insect strength and is many, many times stronger than a normal person. A Super Soldier has bouts of impressive displays of strength but they are still on the comparative low end there, the helicopter anchor is hard to judge but Steve kicked a car from the side and moved it 5 feet. But I don't think Peter is physically stronger than a Stark armor, merely faster, more nimble and better able to use physics to his advantage. A Stark Armor would have easily shrugged off the container, even tank being crushed by it.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#65572: Dec 9th 2016 at 11:48:45 AM

Given War Machine mentions having lifted a tank and dropping it off somewhere, I'd say him and Iron Man could definitely have lifted that shipping container.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#65573: Dec 9th 2016 at 12:26:30 PM

Also, keep in mind the context. Spider-Man has almost always been as strong as he needs to be, tapping into strength he didn't know he had when he is, say, protecting someone versus, I don't know, participating in a fist-fight against people he respects and explicitly doesn't have a stake in the outcome other than impressing Stark.

It would be quite surprising if he was anywhere near the apex of his abilities at the airport.

[up] Note that there's a HUGE difference between catching something and lifting something. I can lift a 50 pound weight with no difficulty. I'm not sure if I could catch one.

edited 9th Dec '16 12:28:11 PM by Larkmarn

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#65574: Dec 9th 2016 at 12:31:12 PM

Tom Holland is live on Facebook right now answering fan questions.,

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#65575: Dec 9th 2016 at 12:38:56 PM

I'm sure they could lift it, I'm just not sure they could catch it in the same way. I feel like they'd get clobbered by it (but not crushed), be fine, then jack it of themselves no problem. It's a minor difference, but what you're saying [up]x3 is what I'm trying to say. A different kind of strength, not necessarily 'who would win in a super-fight'.

[up][up] Yeah, that.

[up]That's rad.

edited 9th Dec '16 12:41:02 PM by Unsung


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