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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
There's a reason why the Defenders focuses on street-level Defenders. What makes those shows good isn't the budget, it's the acting and camerawork— they have the time to get it exactly right. You don't have that luxury on TV except with a miniseries like Agent Carter. Which is what Inhumans is. It could work out— what Agent Carter had to spend making itself look like a period piece can be redirected to costumes and effects.
Netflix is getting to the point where it could put on an effects-driven show— they have some serious money these days. Although Sense 8 was fairly ambitious in that sense, wasn't it? I still have to watch that sometime.
edited 8th Dec '16 9:27:09 PM by Unsung
There was a similar discussion in the Arrowverse threads. The Netflix shows likely have about 75% or less the budget of similar network TV shows. Digital distribution shows simply don't pull the same revenue. note
The production schedule is also different. The Netflix shows generally have all the scripts written before they start filming, which is why they are able to drop an entire season at once. The larger number of episodes and continuous production of television seasons (episodes are airing as other episodes are filming) of network tv can both truncate the writing time and have them alter plans based on audience reception.
I'm really liking the Vulture's costume now that we're seeing it in action. Those wings are awesome, and the rest of it is just...practical. You've got an air supply and you'd want to dress warmly for higher altitudes, and you'd probably think you looked pretty cool in a jacket like that if you were a man of a certain age. I like the glowing green eyes being inside the helmet, too.
edited 8th Dec '16 9:49:56 PM by Unsung
In the chill of night
At the scene of a crime
He's just standing there
Mocking you, all the time.
Sixth's times a charm eh?
One Strip! One Strip!Yeah, it doesn't have the same sense of "fun" that the original comic costume had but whereas that sketch occupied a bad valley between comic book-y and practical the actual in-movie appearance seems to have leaned enough towards the latter to get out of that pit.
And this incarnation of Peter seems like a real sweetheart. Not as distractingly awkward as Maguire Spidey, not as douchey as Garfield Spidey.
Finally, we get to see what to expect from this movie and what to expect is that this movie is gonna be really epic.
Some things I want to comment:
- That scene with Spidey going to town with those robbers in cheap Avengers masks:
(Plus, did Spidey really make one of the robbers punch one of the other robbers? 'Cause if he did, then that was all kinds of awesome. One of the Sony execs is probably kicking himself in the pants moaning, "why didn't we think of that?")
- So they did show the Sony and Columbia Pictures logos after all. Figures.
- Apparently, the "you guys are losers" girl is Michelle and Liz Allan is the girl Peter was ogling. Was kinda expecting it to be the other way around: Michelle being the ogled and Liz to be the one calling Peter a loser.
- Michael Keaton as The Vulture is looking pretty nasty. Hopefully, he sticks around long enough (as in, doesn't get killed in this movie) to form the Sinister Six.
- I'll bet you guys anything that everyone will be calling this the best Spidey movie since Spider-Man 2. (S-M 2 is considered the best Spider-Man so far, right?)
Reactions to the trailer aside, I kinda want to say that a few months back, I may have heard of a rumor (or at least someone talking about a rumor) that involves Fox keeping an eye on how Spider-Man: Homecoming will turn out to see if it really is worth sharing movie rights with Marvel Studios.
But I guess it's kind of moot since Kevin Feige went on record saying it ain't happening. Which is a shame, because if this movie really is worth the hype as the trailer implies, we might have quickly start hearing some interesting things regarding Marvel Studios and Fox's relationship...
I liked Spider-Man 2 but man was it Narmy. Homecoming seems like it's going to keep that fun atmosphere while doing away with a lot of the less positive kind of camp.
I loved the bank robbery scene and the part where he's holding the boat together. I hope Tony isn't in the movie too much. It seems like he might be in this as much as he was in Civil War. I love that Happy's back. I'm not liking the idea of Peter having a friend who knows his secret identity, though. For some reason, it makes it feel less Spidey-y to me.
edited 8th Dec '16 10:25:21 PM by FoxBoxKid
Make mine Marvel.I'm not sure I like the "sidekick wanting to prove he's ready to be a real hero" vibe coming from Peter and Tony's relationship, especailly as the trailers imply it's the basis for the superhero portion of the plot, but everything else is aces.
It looks like they're bringing back the "old crook who gets his hands on supertech" idea that was originally going to be used for Vulture in Spider-Man 3. Shocker looks like a member of his gang, and it looks like Vulture gets his hands on Shocker's tech eventually.
Overall the trailer was fun but I don't like how it's suggesting Iron Man will be a primary character, outright telling Peter not to get involved with Vulture. It's already running headfirst into the Superman Stays Out of Gotham, if Tony is involved we're going to be asking why Vision or Natasha are not being called in. That said, if Tony is explicitly trying to protect Peter from the Accords that would be kind of cool, but also going to highlight the fact that Tony is not all-in with the Accords (it's an "other, other hand" thing).
Vulture does look pretty awesome, a little bit Iron Man and a little bit Falcon. The turbines on the wings remind me of some Gundam designs. Holland is really nailing both Peter and Spider-Man, he hits a perfect balance of cockiness and sincerity. Garfield's approach was a lot more Motor Mouth and mean-spirited.
edited 8th Dec '16 10:54:21 PM by KJMackley
The Miles Morales stuff actually plays better for someone in high school than the original Stan Lee/Steve Ditko Spider-Man stuff, where Peter was kind of a creepy loner. He wasn't social at all until later on when he wasn't in high school anymore.
I'm fine with them including Ned Leeds as Ganke, because traditionally, his friends have always been either MJ, Gwen, or Harry Osborn and Harry Osborn would absolutely not fit in that role (he's the "rich outsider" type, not the "nerdy best friend" type).
edited 8th Dec '16 11:00:12 PM by alliterator
Compositing Peter's life with Miles' makes sense and gels with Marvel's usual compositing of characters. In high school Peter had nobody, and basically every Marvel cinematic hero has had a "friend" figure to bounce off of.
IIRC, the Raimi films got around this by giving him Harry far earlier than usual (and then fast forwarding to college) and also inventing a few minor characters for him to have smaller relationships with, and the Amazing series got around this by giving him Gwen far earlier than usual.
The oddest thing to me is choosing Ned for this, given that he's always been a Satellite Character for the Daily Bugle and Peter has over the years had more than enough other supporting characters that would fit the role more logically. I don't mind it, but it's a weird pick. Though I still like the idea from Amazing of Peter's love interest being the Secret-Keeper, or a friend-who-becomes-love-interest-eventually. Kind of like Amazing! Gwen, except them being in on it together and them being in a relationship aren't necessarily one and the same issue (so, I guess, Ultimate MJ).
edited 9th Dec '16 12:02:00 AM by KnownUnknown

People just don't buy (and I'm one of those people) that ABC could have the budget to pull of something as grand as Inhumans. I doubt that a basic cable network like ABC can be like HBO with Game of Thrones, where they can spend 10 million dollars per episode and create these epic movie-quality setpieces.
edited 8th Dec '16 3:29:06 PM by DeadlyAssassin
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