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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#65351: Dec 4th 2016 at 4:15:01 PM

I'm liking how Baby Groot does seem to be an actual, well, baby and not just old Groot but smaller

I got the latter impression. Him going off the the rails with the doom button is a nice call back to him going off the rails with on Rocket's extremely technical plan in the first movie.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#65352: Dec 4th 2016 at 4:46:53 PM

Gunn's stated that Baby Groot does not have original Groot's memories or experiences.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
WolyniaBookSeries Since: Nov, 2016
#65353: Dec 4th 2016 at 5:07:33 PM

all this movie needs is Giorgio A. Tsoukalos

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#65355: Dec 4th 2016 at 5:17:11 PM

He'll probably start remembering things eventually, but there've gotta be some consequences to being blown up, even if you're an unkillable tree golem who can apparently do anything.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#65356: Dec 4th 2016 at 6:24:32 PM

Unless he's not Groot, and is actually Groot's child, which has been brought up as a possibility.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#65357: Dec 4th 2016 at 6:27:40 PM

Trees do reproduce by saplings...

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#65358: Dec 4th 2016 at 8:09:25 PM

I really like Mantis's look but I'm still kind of salty that she will be an alien rather than an Asian human like in the comics.

Looking at the year's "Best Film" list, I (almost) kind of feel bad for Marvel who has to take the brunt of the alleged "Comic Book fatigue" from the other studios's bad movies and crazy conspiracies about bribing critics even when they're the only ones that trying to produce decent products rather than half-baked cynical cash grab (Bv S, Suicide Squad, X-Men: Apocalypse). (Almost being the relative term, not making up for the lack of racial and gender diversity in their movie leads)

edited 4th Dec '16 8:10:49 PM by shatterstar

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#65359: Dec 4th 2016 at 8:39:13 PM

I really like Mantis's look but I'm still kind of salty that she will be an alien rather than an Asian human like in the comics.
I really don't think there was a way for them to make her an actual Asian woman like she was in the comics and tell the same story they wanted to tell. Gunn has stated that he wanted Peter Quill to be the only human around, hence changing Drax's origin and Mantis's origin, but even if he had wanted to include another human, Mantis's backstory is just so insane (and tinged with racism) that it wouldn't really work at all.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#65360: Dec 4th 2016 at 9:04:38 PM

Speaking of comics Mantis, can someone explain to me how she had green skin and antennae despite being an Asian woman?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#65361: Dec 4th 2016 at 9:14:12 PM

Basically, Mantis's history is one that involves a massive amount of continuity and two shifts through other publishers (the writer who created her, Steven Englehart, basically took her along with him to other books he was writing). Mantis started off as a half-Vietnamese, half-German woman who was raised by the Priests of Pama (a sect of Kree) in order to become the Celestial Madonna and mate with a tree alien called the Cotati to give birth to the "Celestial Messiah," the most important being in the universe. Eventually, she did get married to a Cotati who had possessed the dead body of the Swordsman (long story) and then went off to have his baby, which she named Sequoia, but the pregnancy caused her to manifest new powers and green skin and then she was forced to give up her baby and then she split into different versions and then she became the bride of Kang, but that turned out to be a Space Phantom.

Also, she never referred to herself as "I," only as "this one," e.g. "This one is known as Mantis!"

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#65362: Dec 4th 2016 at 9:18:23 PM

Yeah, I think the original Groot died and this is Groot's kid or at least that's how I'm treating it.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#65364: Dec 4th 2016 at 9:23:04 PM

I don't think it would've been a good idea for Mantis to be Asian in the movies anyway, given she was a stereotypical Vietnamese prostitute born of an Asian Babymama. And I totally get Gunn's "no humans aside from Quill" rule even if it means no Richard Rider Nova or anything like that.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#65365: Dec 4th 2016 at 9:23:25 PM

[up][up]Because comics are freaking weird.

edited 4th Dec '16 9:23:35 PM by Beatman1

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#65366: Dec 4th 2016 at 9:36:06 PM

Xandarians are plenty human enough without any more Earthlings.

I wouldn't mind if they did treat this Groot as a completely new being— that'd be the less predictable tack to take— but the Doylist in me has to believe that the filmmakers are going to want to have their cake and eat it, too (which I don't really have a problem with). So they can have Cute!Groot and Rocket in the same movie, but they still have an option to draw upon and hark back to their long-term friendship. If anyone has an excuse for Genetic Memory, it's a propagated sapling who grew from a piece of a plant-based being already known for rapid regeneration and customized growth for a wide variety of different situations.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#65367: Dec 4th 2016 at 9:57:01 PM

I think there's more emotional potential in Rocket reminiscing about his and Groot's adventures to Groot Jr, son of Groot.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#65368: Dec 4th 2016 at 10:01:57 PM

It's not like keeping her Asian meant they had to keep her as a prostitute.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#65369: Dec 4th 2016 at 10:02:24 PM

[up][up]I actually agree with you, but it still wouldn't surprise me if we had Rocket parenting Groot the Younger for most of the movie, then had Groot's old self return by the end.

edited 4th Dec '16 10:23:01 PM by Unsung

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#65370: Dec 4th 2016 at 10:14:13 PM

Can we talk about the 'romantic' subplot that the trailers are clearly setting up?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#65371: Dec 4th 2016 at 11:23:31 PM

I won't mind Peter/Gamora as long as it is the result of them working together and he cleaning up his act. I wouldn't have liked it in the first movie, because they barely knew each other and Gamora is too smart to fall for someone like him.

Thus said, I am actually not sure if that's what the movie is going for...after all, Mantis emphasises that Peter's feelings are of sexual nature. That doesn't necessarily translate into him wanting to spend the rest of his life with her.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#65372: Dec 4th 2016 at 11:37:47 PM

I'd be fine if the resolution to that was just a one-night stand, and nothing more.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#65373: Dec 4th 2016 at 11:45:36 PM

I hate romance in the Marvel movies (and in general), so I'd be fine with them just leaving it as a joke that Peter wants to bone Gamora rather than try and actually turn it into a two-sided relationship or anything dumb like that.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#65374: Dec 4th 2016 at 11:46:41 PM

It's not like keeping her Asian meant they had to keep her as a prostitute.
But, again, James Gunn wanted Peter to be the only human in a group of aliens. Having another human wouldn't work.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#65375: Dec 4th 2016 at 11:49:06 PM

I'm getting really tired of the obligatory romance plotlines popping up in the MCU. If Marvel thinks they're clever putting the tiniest spins on it like in Doctor Strange where Palmer is an ex-lover, and GOTG where it's purely sexual, it's like tossing a beanbag in front of a flood hoping it'll be a bulwark against audience fatigue. A big part of why I like the first Avengers and TWS so much is because they avoided it.

It's not like the romances really help MCU films. Actually I'd say almost as many films suffer from having romance elements in them than the other way around. Both Thor movies, AOU, Ant-Man, Civil War. And of the ones that aren't hurt by it (the IM series), two of them benefit from following up on a successful one anyway. Enough is enough.

edited 4th Dec '16 11:51:44 PM by AlleyOop


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