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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

WolyniaBookSeries Since: Nov, 2016
#65276: Dec 2nd 2016 at 1:18:33 PM

love how the helmet looks kinda high tech to reflect Thor comes from outter space. i mean hulk's helmet doesnt look primitive

edited 2nd Dec '16 1:21:37 PM by WolyniaBookSeries

MapleSamurai Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#65277: Dec 2nd 2016 at 2:28:11 PM

Lately, I've been thinking more about Hulk's role in Ragnarok, and I've been getting more worried about it. A big part of that is that I think Marvel might be misunderstanding why fans want to see an MCU version of Planet Hulk in the first place.

It might be different for some fans, I don't want a Planet Hulk movie just because I want to see the Hulk be a gladiator. Because that's not what made Planet Hulk my favourite Marvel comic of all time. I loved the comic because it made the Hulk a central character with Character Development, instead of just Banner's superpower. It gave us the Hulk's Warbound and showed us the growing bond and camaraderie between them. It took Hulk off the world where he was seen as little more than a monster and onto a world where he could truly be the hero in the eyes of its people. It gave Hulk a developed love interest with her own character arc and stakes in the story, so it actually affected the readers and story when she died.

But I fear we won't get any of that, because it's being stuffed into the same movie as Thor's search for answers about the Infinity Stones, his and Loki's quest to find Odin, Hela's takeover of Asgard, the Grandmaster's machinations, the titular Ragnarok, and a teamup with Doctor Strange. Between all of that, I don't see how there will be any room for the parts of Planet Hulk that made it great to begin with.

It really does seem that Marvel only thinks we want a Planet Hulk movie to see Hulk as a gladiator, which is really just that comic's most superficial elements, and once the movie's over, we won't have another chance to see any of the stuff I mentioned, because as far as Marvel will be concerned, we will have "already got a Planet Hulk movie."

And there's also the fact that my favourite Marvel comic ever is being stuffed into someone else's movie as an afterthought while the garbage fire that was Civil War got an entire movie to itself, but that's really just a nitpick by comparison, since Captain America: Civil War was awesome.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#65278: Dec 2nd 2016 at 2:48:54 PM

Rest of it looks cool but Thor's face looks like a badly photoshopped photograph.

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#65279: Dec 2nd 2016 at 2:49:19 PM

You were never going to get a Planet Hulk movie anyway because Universal still has the distribution rights to movies with Hulk in the title.

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MapleSamurai Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#65280: Dec 2nd 2016 at 2:52:10 PM

Yeah, I know, but that just makes the whole thing feel like adding insult to injury. I may be alone in thinking this, but I would actually rather not have Planet Hulk in the MCU at all than just have its most superficial elements stuffed into another movie.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#65281: Dec 2nd 2016 at 2:53:51 PM

Seriously? How are they still holding onto that? They're not making any Hulk movies.

I could see this being as much Hulk's movie as Thor's. Honestly, if this turns out to be the MCU's Conan the Barbarian/Fury Road, we will be so good.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#65282: Dec 2nd 2016 at 4:37:00 PM

I do share the same concerns as Maple, but that's largely because it also runs the risk of making Thor's final solo film weaker.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#65283: Dec 2nd 2016 at 5:21:17 PM

[up][up]Given that the director's stated goal was to not have Thor overshadowed again, I imagine Hulk's part will be smaller. It'd kinda have to be.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#65284: Dec 2nd 2016 at 7:03:05 PM

It's going to have Loki, he's going to get overshadowed again no matter what.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#65285: Dec 2nd 2016 at 7:05:50 PM

Not if Loki is always way in the back of the frame, like a football field away, yelling all his lines at the top of his lungs. Problem solved.

WolyniaBookSeries Since: Nov, 2016
#65287: Dec 2nd 2016 at 8:08:07 PM

At the end of AOU Bruce pushed himself to a much lonely existence. im curious to see where he goes. i feel bad for him after watching the guy work hard to better his reputation and creditably.

i think TR would be a good way for the two Avengers to figure out who they are and who they are not. AOU hinted at a dilemma of identity for Thor in the most subtle manner possible while clear as day for Bruce. once Thanos shows up they are ready to accept whatever fate happens. nows is the time to gather that strength

however im scared Waititi might ignore previous storylines. im sure he will make a fun film though the thor and hulk might not match up with where AOU emotionally left them


GOG 2 trailer comes out tmr

edited 3rd Dec '16 4:06:11 AM by WolyniaBookSeries

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#65288: Dec 2nd 2016 at 11:51:07 PM

Yeah, I know, but that just makes the whole thing feel like adding insult to injury. I may be alone in thinking this, but I would actually rather not have Planet Hulk in the MCU at all than just have its most superficial elements stuffed into another movie.

When has Marvel Studios ever done a straight-up adaptation of a comics storyline? The most they ever do is take the basic premise and then do their own thing with it.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#65289: Dec 3rd 2016 at 12:19:44 AM

I wouldn't want a straightforward Planet Hulk in the MCU anyway. It doesn't mesh well with their version of Banner, and it doesn't make sense for the circumstances to happen in the first place.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#65290: Dec 3rd 2016 at 12:54:04 AM

How does it not mesh well with this version of Banner?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#65291: Dec 3rd 2016 at 3:59:49 AM

[up]Planet Hulk in the comic is largely Hulk with very little Bruce. Kevin Feige was clear for quite a while there was no way that was happening in the mcu.

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#65292: Dec 3rd 2016 at 5:31:29 AM

Not to mention, the ones who booted Hulk into space were all personal friends of Bruce, making it a personal attack on him as well as the Hulk. In the MCU case, he and Tony are the Science Bros but otherwise he doesn't know T'Challa or Strange, Xavier and Reed don't even exist and Black Bolt isn't a thing yet. The circumstances are totally different for Bruce, if not the Hulk (who lots of people are gunning for anyway.)

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#65293: Dec 3rd 2016 at 6:50:12 AM

You could just replace the Illuminati with a bunch of people who hate the Hulk. They don't have to be his friends for Bruce or the Hulk to take it personally.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#65294: Dec 3rd 2016 at 7:48:15 AM

Yeah no one said Planet Hulk needed to be a 1-for-1 adaptation from the comic. The concern is that the things people actually like about it won't be in Ragnarok to begin with, thus making the inclusion of any elements from the storyline superficial and intrusive to the Thor film.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#65295: Dec 3rd 2016 at 9:25:12 AM

The trailer isn't even out yet and people are complaining about how it doesn't include stuff that they want? Please.

I love World War Hulk and even I don't want to see the entire thing in this movie, because it's too long and wouldn't fit with Thor, but individual elements would certainly be interesting. I'm thinking that they will have Hulk and Thor fighting in an arena along with Hulk's Warbound — and then they'll escape and go along with the rest of the movie on a cosmic roadtrip to stop Hela and Ragnarok. Which is about as anti-Planet Hulk as you can go, but which we've known would happen since the very beginning.

Hell, if anything, I want there to be more Ragnarok stuff in it, but I would like it if they brought along the Warbound with Hulk and Thor. Making them into the group that fights against Ragnarok (instead of simply Thor and a bunch of humans and Asgardians) would make it really interesting.

edited 3rd Dec '16 9:25:31 AM by alliterator

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#65296: Dec 3rd 2016 at 9:28:41 AM

Didn't Ruffalo say that Hulk's role in Ragarok is just the start of a character arc that continues through Infinity War and is concluded in Avengers 4?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#65297: Dec 3rd 2016 at 11:17:41 AM

Honestly, who wants to see an exact version of the comic book story? Isn't that the fun in the movies, that we get another take on some of the best ideas and scenes in comic books.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#65298: Dec 3rd 2016 at 12:46:27 PM

Yeah no one said Planet Hulk needed to be a 1-for-1 adaptation from the comic. The concern is that the things people actually like about it won't be in Ragnarok to begin with, thus making the inclusion of any elements from the storyline superficial and intrusive to the Thor film.

On some level I do understand that concern, I do. But at this point the ship has sailed on a solo Hulk movie, so it's not like they're wasting a story they could be doing as a standalone.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#65299: Dec 3rd 2016 at 1:50:39 PM

So Marvel vs Capcom Infinite has been confirmed, and Captain Marvel is one of the characters revealed in the initial teaser. Probably a good indication of what her movie appearance will be, since it seems like they're trying very hard to make her a flagship Marvel character with a very iconic appearance. Long hair is very likely, as is the sash, and we may be seeing some explicit Warbird/Binary powers in the film as well.

Also I've heard a rumor that no mutants will appear in the game because of the Fox split, which sounds like a goddamn terrible idea if you ask me. Though if Perlmutter puts his conniving foot down on it, they could make mutant characters DLC as a compromise.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#65300: Dec 3rd 2016 at 2:36:44 PM

Considering how iconic Mag-fucking-neto's curly moustache is, I can't see them excising mutants from the game.

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