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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#65251: Nov 28th 2016 at 10:53:30 PM

What do you mean?
There's an episode of Justice League Unlimited called "The Great Brain Robbery" where Lex and the Flash accidentally switch minds. Which leads to this hilarious scene with Lex-in-Flash:

Meanwhile, this is what Flash-in-Lex was doing:

The best part was his speech though:

edited 28th Nov '16 10:56:33 PM by alliterator

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#65252: Nov 28th 2016 at 10:58:40 PM

No, the best line Flash-as-Luthor has the whole episode is this:

"That's not restful..."

My various fanfics.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#65253: Nov 28th 2016 at 11:03:25 PM

The time Flash committed a rape.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
WolyniaBookSeries Since: Nov, 2016
#65254: Nov 29th 2016 at 7:41:21 AM

mvsc4 is rumored to have no mutants.


[up]16. when i said Schultz was a troll I meant that his actions were performed with inflammatory intentions - "“Next time you’ll know better than to challenge your superiors ! My vibro-blast power makes me the most invincible human on Earth… as you’ve already learned !” -“He thinks I’m a lowlife — a loser ! Well, I’m not ! I’ve learned from my past mistakes ! I’ll kill Fortune and I’ll humiliate and kill Spider-Man ! Then I’ll have the respect I DESERVE ! The Shocker is one of the WINNERS, now !” (KA-BLOOM !)

he always demonstrated his lust for greed in a petty way, had a conflict-prone attiude, very temperamental, held grudges, and wanted to project an impression of opulence over everyone else. he cared about his ego and would do anything to affirm it, which included using Manhattan's powergrids to spell out his name so New Yorkers could knew he was back. That was the 70s-80s Shocker based on Marvel's timeline.

idk how he is now. anyone as you and the other guy pointed out yeah the narrative never takes him to world domination

edited 29th Nov '16 1:46:07 PM by WolyniaBookSeries

indiana404 Since: May, 2013
#65255: Nov 29th 2016 at 8:10:53 AM

There's something grimly hilarious in how so long as Marvel doesn't have the movie rights for mutants, they're getting effectively unpersoned in other media, with tangentially related characters like Squirrel Girl being retconned as not really mutants. Don't you just love it when the story in a franchise is summarily inverted by the story of the franchise? It's like that one time when mutant action figures weren't classified as human so as to profit from lower fees or some such.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#65256: Nov 29th 2016 at 8:27:26 AM

[up][up]There's a video game thread for discussing Marvel vs. Capcom 4.

edited 29th Nov '16 8:27:59 AM by comicwriter

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#65257: Nov 29th 2016 at 10:51:26 AM

There are a lot of characters that were made mutants to capitalize on the popularity of the X-Men so this is no more or no less crass then that.

Although Squirrel Girl was said to be a mutant in her first appearance, her and the rest of the Great Lakes Avengers discovering that they had being mutants in common was just a punchline to end out the book on.

Squirrel Girl being a mutant has never really affected her character anyway. She never really heavily associated with the X-Men.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#65258: Nov 29th 2016 at 11:09:50 AM

Older MvC games did have a problem with the roster being lopsided towards mutants as it once was with the Street Fighters. But on the other hand taking the opposite approach and having an MvC game without the Mango Sentinel, Mag-fucking-Neato, or I CAN'T CONTROL ITsurprised just feels dreadfully wrong.

edited 29th Nov '16 11:11:47 AM by AlleyOop

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#65259: Dec 1st 2016 at 1:05:48 PM

BTW, Critic Choice Awards are out...6 nominations for Doctor Strange, 3 for Civil War.

Both are nominated for: Best action movie, Best actor in an action movie (Cumberbatch and Evans), Best actress in an action movie (Swinton and Johansson),

Doctor Strange is nominated for Best Hair and Makeup and Best Visual Effects (I think that one is a safe win) and best Sci-Fi Horror movie (really? I mean I get Deadpool for comedy, but this one is a little bit odd).

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#65260: Dec 1st 2016 at 1:44:16 PM

They don't have a category for superhero movies so they just put them wherever they sorta fit.

Empire also included Civil War on their year's best list, making it the only superhero movie on there. I was ready to dismiss the list for not having Moonlight but someone pointed out it isn't out in the UK yet.tongue

edited 1st Dec '16 1:47:28 PM by comicwriter

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#65261: Dec 1st 2016 at 4:52:26 PM

I'll be annoyed if Strange wins Best Visual Effects over Arrival, which was spectacular and more innovative, and Fantastic Beasts, which had some stunning sequences.. Going by the trailers, I haven't seen anything in Strange that doesn't look like an Inception ripoff.

It's hilarious that Reynolds got two Best Actor nominations for two different genres for the same movie. Well-deserved, though. Andrew Garfield is going to get Best Actor in an Action Movie, though (and deserves it - Hacksaw Ridge was exceptional) - you can tell from how he's the only actor in that category who was also nominated in the regular (non-genre) Best Actor category.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#65262: Dec 1st 2016 at 5:32:38 PM

I'll be pulling for Strange by virtue of having zero interest in Fantastic whatever it is so I have no idea what the visuals were like.

edited 1st Dec '16 5:32:55 PM by comicwriter

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#65263: Dec 1st 2016 at 5:38:55 PM

[up][up] Honestly if you didn't see Doctor Strange, you have no ground to complain. The trailers only provide a glimpse into the movie's visuals. To judge it you should at least view some of the pivotal cgi scenes like the climax of the movie, for example.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
WolyniaBookSeries Since: Nov, 2016
#65264: Dec 1st 2016 at 6:42:45 PM

but Arrival didn't have much to work around apart from the appearance of the two aliens; in each scene they didn't really do anything creatively different from the previous scene. It was like watching whale videos. I still haven't seen FB but oh boy that usage of cgi wowed me.

Inception is based on Paprika down from the plot outline to the visuals. Difference the former is serlualist while the other latter is postmodern. There's nothing original in fiction becAuse I bet you I can find similarities in someone else's work. Before Inception there was Cell and Doland Duck.

edited 1st Dec '16 7:18:01 PM by WolyniaBookSeries

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#65265: Dec 1st 2016 at 7:04:32 PM

I'm also rooting for Doctor Strange to win. I saw it toady and the visual were amazingly fun. Don't care one bit for Arrival or that Harry Potter spin-off.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#65266: Dec 1st 2016 at 7:09:06 PM

Arrival's starships were also special effects, as was their sound design and art direction on the aliens' language.

Doctor Strange's visuals were definitely mind blowing, but the claim that they're better than Arrival's on the grounds of being more complex isn't a strong argument, I feel.

It reminds me of an exercise I saw satirizing semiotic theory. Basically, the speaker showed two images: one from ''Troy'' and one from Charlie Chaplin's "The Bank". Based on Troy's images having more interpretable symbols than Chaplin's, he "concluded" that Troy was the better film.

It's also kind of like that joke that the Oscars give their awards for MOST Acting, MOST Screenplay, etc, rather than Best.

edited 1st Dec '16 7:12:52 PM by Tuckerscreator

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#65267: Dec 1st 2016 at 9:27:33 PM

Going by the trailers, I haven't seen anything in Strange that doesn't look like an Inception ripoff.
Then it would probably be helpful to see the actual film rather than rely in the trailers. Because the effects were better than Inception and much more innovative. The scene at the end when time rewound was one of the best and most interesting fight scenes that the MCU has done.

Now, does it compare to Arrival? Well, they are completely different. Arrival is a lot more into realism and showing the awe and grandeur of something genuinely alien, showing just how unnerving it is and it does it through not just special effects, but something interesting camera tricks and sound design. Doctor Strange, however, is pure special effects, mixing the usual CGI stuff with psychedelic imagery and MC Escher-esque fight scenes.

I'll give the odds as 50/50 for either film to win.

edited 2nd Dec '16 12:08:14 AM by alliterator

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#65268: Dec 2nd 2016 at 12:05:18 AM

I would rout for Doctor Strange due to the creativity in them...or, to be specific, the creativity in the scene when the Ancient One pushes him into the other realms the first time....everything which happens related to hands in the scene is just...wow. There were visuals in this movie I can honestly say I have never seen before outside of an animated movie. Especially not in Inception, which folds the city once, turns a hallway around but otherwise is actually disappointingly realistic for a dreamscape. Which is kind of the point, since the people in it are supposed to be confused about what is real and what isn't, but it is nevertheless galling that it keeps getting mentioned as the all end of creative visuals on film, especially since it borrowed heavily from Paprika, Fantasia and Doctor Strange comics.....

edited 2nd Dec '16 12:06:51 AM by Swanpride

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#65269: Dec 2nd 2016 at 12:46:48 AM

Well, Doctor Strange borrowed the hands bit from Cyriak. But hey, not like many other blockbusters were taking from him too.

edited 2nd Dec '16 1:11:10 AM by Tuckerscreator

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#65270: Dec 2nd 2016 at 12:54:10 AM

They drew inspiration from Cyriak in a few places, and Inception in a few others. But it's not like Christopher Nolan, Cyriak, or anyone else has a copyright on these ideas. The fact that someone did something like any idea before before is not a reason to never do anything similar again. This is how genres are made. Good artists borrow— great artists steal, etc. And no, it's not the same as plagiarism. Like with a thesis, you are quoting other authors, you are citing your sources, and you are, hopefully, saying something new with them.

edited 2nd Dec '16 10:52:16 AM by Unsung

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#65271: Dec 2nd 2016 at 1:00:45 AM

[up][up] I actually meant the bit with the hands which came after...more simple, but very effective.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#65272: Dec 2nd 2016 at 8:34:52 AM

And even if they drew inspiration , they did things differently. The Droste Image of the hand for example, differs from its original source significantly in that we see the hands grow from the fingertips of the previous hands in a continuous shot instead of a loop like the original film.

"Inception" also got nowhere near the level of sheer urbane insanity Doc Strange's warping goes.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
WolyniaBookSeries Since: Nov, 2016
#65273: Dec 2nd 2016 at 8:39:59 AM

Brahl is the new Ravager for GOG 2

confirmed Peter has spiderwings

edited 2nd Dec '16 11:26:30 AM by WolyniaBookSeries

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#65274: Dec 2nd 2016 at 11:51:51 AM

New Homecoming footage was shown in brazil. New costume stuff.

edited 2nd Dec '16 11:52:38 AM by comicwriter


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