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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#65226: Nov 28th 2016 at 9:50:01 AM

They've been saying that for a while. We got these set images, and Bokeem Woodbine listed as Herman Schultz/Shocker on IMDB.

edited 28th Nov '16 11:37:03 AM by Unsung

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#65227: Nov 28th 2016 at 11:30:48 AM

The Shocker does seem a pretty good fit as a 'starter villain' - if he's the mainline Shocker not the perennially failing Ultimate version he's got the experience and the savvy to be a decent threat (certainly to a Spidey just setting out) and his professionalism and pragmatism serve as a contrast to the idealism of our hero. It would also be relatively easy to make him a pretty sympathetic guy - just doing his job, using tech he made for himself and doesn't go out of his way to imperil civilians as a matter of course (though this one does depend on the writer.)

Also, he's not Green Goblin, Doc Ock or Venom which while making the 'Big 3' Spider-Villains are probably overplayed by now in the same way the Joker is.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#65228: Nov 28th 2016 at 11:38:17 AM

With Iron Man, Vulture, and Shocker in this movie, I'd love it if they really focused on homemade tech as a shared beat between them.

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#65229: Nov 28th 2016 at 11:38:22 AM

[up][up]He was also Spoiled by the Merchandise at Comic Con and more recently one of the Lego sets.

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#65230: Nov 28th 2016 at 11:40:17 AM

IMDB is not the most reliable site due to being user-edited but there was a leaked casting sheet of unknown veracity that's leaning towards legit because of a recent interview with Hannibal Buress, and it lists Woodbine on it.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#65231: Nov 28th 2016 at 11:45:04 AM

It's user-edited, but that listing's been up for a while, and it seems like edit-warring would've put in an (unconfirmed) at least if the rumour mill wasn't fairly sure.

I wouldn't make IMDB my go-to source for breaking news, but its cast lists tend to be pretty stable. In no small part thanks to actors' representation wanting to make sure their clients' publicity is accurate, I would think.

edited 28th Nov '16 12:43:40 PM by Unsung

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#65232: Nov 28th 2016 at 11:53:26 AM

What're you guys talking about?

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#65233: Nov 28th 2016 at 12:37:59 PM

[up]6 the only Shocker I know is Herman Schultz, New York's top egoistical public criminal who wants to have his name heard all across the world. He always boasts about how unstoppable and great he is. He's basically an alpha troll. if he recurs i wonder if his costume will get an upgrade 2 films from now.

edited 28th Nov '16 12:42:33 PM by WolyniaBookSeries

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#65234: Nov 28th 2016 at 2:48:10 PM

Schultz is actually more generally known for being the absolute opposite of a troll, as he is (one of) the few Spider-villains to not ever get into any kind of personal vendetta with Spider-Man and is a literal career criminal, but tends to limit himself to bank robberies and heists simply to avoid drawing heat from the bigger guns of the MU.

One more recent interpretation had him as a borderline butt monkey but even then he was the most competent and effective of the Sinister Several when he got dangerous.

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#65235: Nov 28th 2016 at 2:58:37 PM

One more recent interpretation had him as a borderline butt monkey but even then he was the most competent and effective of the Sinister Several when he got dangerous.

Which is funny because when Luke Cage, Iron Fist and a bunch of other dudes attacked, despite fairing the best against them, he was still treated as pretty much a joke by Heroes and Villains alike, which is kinda annoying for a guy with his level of professionalism.

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#65237: Nov 28th 2016 at 3:09:44 PM

Yeah Shocker's main draw is pretty much that he's just a common criminal with mild superpowers. He doesn't have grandiose schemes for world conquest or Shakesperean plans for revenge. He's just a crook trying to make a quick buck.

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#65238: Nov 28th 2016 at 3:15:18 PM

Which is pretty much perfect of a Spider-man movie. I never got the need why every villain in the previous movies had to have some sort of personal connection for Spider-man. In a good Spider-man story, the villains aren't exactly the point, the point is how Spider-man manages to balance his crime fighting with his RL problems.

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#65239: Nov 28th 2016 at 3:16:04 PM

Apparently, he's one of the only members of Spidey's Rouges Gallery Luke Cage is genuinely scared of? Heard that somewhere (I think here, actually).

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#65240: Nov 28th 2016 at 3:17:49 PM

The best part of Shocker in that series was that when they had him go against Punisher, it was a quick Curb-Stomp Battle in Shocker's favor. Most writers are so obsessed with sucking Frank Castle's rifle and saying how he's the bestest most unbeatable badass of all time that very few of them stop to consider the sheer logistics of some normal human with a gun going up against people with actual powers.

edited 28th Nov '16 3:18:29 PM by comicwriter

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#65241: Nov 28th 2016 at 3:19:04 PM

I like that he's so flummoxed that even as he gets blasted into the sky, his expression doesn't change

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#65242: Nov 28th 2016 at 3:23:45 PM

I find it hard to believe most Marvel writers like Punisher that much.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#65243: Nov 28th 2016 at 3:57:39 PM

Most Punisher writers probably like him a lot, but isn't the main reason for him to show up in other heroes' books (and villains', in this case) to make them look better by comparison? Though I suppose that's generally 'better' in a moral sense, as opposed to getting reverse-Team Rocketed by Shocker.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#65244: Nov 28th 2016 at 4:49:38 PM

Well, I think I will remember that pic.

Shocker is a true Bad Ass. And a smart man for not letting things get personal between him and Spidey.

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#65245: Nov 28th 2016 at 4:53:32 PM

I enjoyed the bit in Mark Millar's run where Vulture finally unmasks Spider-Man and finds out he's been directing all his hate and anger at some random fucking guy who isn't anyone important in real life.

edited 28th Nov '16 4:53:50 PM by comicwriter

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#65246: Nov 28th 2016 at 4:56:50 PM

That's worse than the Luther bit in JLU.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#65247: Nov 28th 2016 at 5:04:28 PM

Should be even better with Michael 'Batman'/'The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance' Keaton as the Vulture. That's quite the passing of the torch you've set up, MCU.

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#65248: Nov 28th 2016 at 5:09:26 PM

[up][up] What do you mean?

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#65249: Nov 28th 2016 at 5:09:32 PM

Remember the time Spider-Man rode Dick Rider?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#65250: Nov 28th 2016 at 6:36:42 PM

[up]

.....Well, now I do.

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