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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#65176: Nov 24th 2016 at 5:47:05 AM

If they ever do a Fantastic Four reboot, imo they should do something incredibly different and strange. I always thought one of the ways the FF movies go wrong is that they emphasize the "superhero" part of their premise to incredibly generic levels, instead of the "explorer" part.

Have them be sort of like Ant-Man, vaguely known about but disappeared for years, and then we meet them In Medias Res trapped in the Antimatter Universe or something with a plot more akin to Lost In Space (with evil antimatter bug overlords).

Yes, I know that movie was terrible too, but the premise of the show still works I think.

edited 24th Nov '16 5:47:32 AM by KnownUnknown

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#65177: Nov 24th 2016 at 6:12:14 AM

[up] Yeah, that too, they are a family of explorer, not a team of Superheroes, but I think that Marvel studios would understand that part.

And honestly, the origin is not THAT interesting. I never understood the focus on it. People joke that The Incredibles is the best F4 movie, and notice what the movie doesn't do? Spending ages on explaining the source of the abilities.

edited 24th Nov '16 6:13:10 AM by Swanpride

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#65178: Nov 24th 2016 at 8:20:07 AM

@Comicwriter- I wasn't aware that there actually was a war between them (and Doom) in the comics, but that does make a lot of sense to have Namor and Black Panther interact.

Because they're definitely in the same mold as these sort of outsider characters who are leaders of a country and are motivated by protecting their own (which doesn't always work smoothly with heroism aimed at protecting the whole world).

I remember how in the Avengers there's some dialogue about the idea of Thor being like this and Asgardian interests differing from human ones, and it doesn't completely work because Thor is this lovable guy, but what those Whedon lines actually do describe Black Panther and Namor perfectly.

And now that we have Black Panther in the movies and he's this well-liked Ensemble Dark Horse, it would be great to have someone with a similar ethos but in a much darker direction.

Edit- Namor's not a Deep One. He's an aquatic Elf and everyone hates elves.

Edit 2- Thanksgiving themed avatar.

edited 24th Nov '16 8:46:10 AM by Hodor2

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#65180: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:07:51 AM

If Namor was ever going to be in the MCU, I would really like that one Asian actor who was actively campaigning for the role to get it.

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#65181: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:09:12 AM

From how he's drawn I always assumed Namor was Asian.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#65182: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:31:21 AM

...Screw it, Will Ferrell for Namor.

edited 24th Nov '16 9:31:34 AM by Beatman1

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#65183: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:56:26 AM

Something I wonder about is this:

Fox's deal with Marvel is that they have to put out a Fantastic Four movie every so often in order to retain the film rights. Now, at this point, making another Fantastic Four movie seems like it would be flushing money down the toilet for them. But, in terms of their contractual obligations, does making "a Fantastic Four movie" actually require them to call it Fantastic Four or feature the Fantastic Four as main characters?

What if Fox released a sci-fi disaster movie called Galactus, and there's one scene where a bunch of scientists are giving exposition about how this extraterrestrial entity is affecting the globe, and one of the scientists happens to be named Reed Richards? They'd be making a movie from the Fantastic Four intellectual property with (one of) the Fantastic Four technically in it, but would that be enough to let them hold onto the film rights?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#65184: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:09:18 AM

[up]Psst....don't post this, someone might read it and get ideas. That is actually my worry. I mean they did Wolverine movies to hold onto the X-men rights. The only thing which speaks against it is that the fans a pretty much feed up. They want the rights back at Marvel. Trying to win over a hostile audience is a pretty big risk, and you can't do something like Galactus on a small budget.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#65185: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:17:23 AM

I was thinking more along the lines that, if they did it that way, your average movie goer wouldn't even realize the movie was based on the Fantastic Four, so they could just treat it as its own movie without the previous films' baggage.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#65186: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:18:07 AM

Just had a great idea (sure someone else has suggested this).

So going off of that Lost and Space type concept, the idea would be that the Richardses were from the 50s and have been trapped in stasis in some kind of other dimension for several decades (like Janet) and a modern team tries to locate them.

It would be called Fantastic Four and Where to Find Them.

edited 24th Nov '16 11:46:33 AM by Hodor2

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#65187: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:20:19 AM

boo, hiss

(...slow applause)

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#65188: Nov 24th 2016 at 12:53:19 PM

If Namor was ever going to be in the MCU, I would really like that one Asian actor who was actively campaigning for the role to get it.

Daniel Dae Kim? Yeah, I'd like to see that too. I don't know if he was actually actively campaigning for it Ryan Potter-style, but there was a definite push from the fans for him to receive the role, and he gave the idea his stamp of approval. So he'd definitely be up for it.

From how he's drawn I always assumed Namor was Asian.

It's entirely possible. But remember - so was the Ancient One. Namor falls under "ambiguously Asian," and as we've seen time and time again, even being explicitly Asian is no defense whatsoever against whitewashing.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#65189: Nov 24th 2016 at 1:08:30 PM

If anything, they're unlikely to have Namor be visibly Asian now. Having a nearly-human elf man be their only character with Asian features, especially if he's a Scary Dogmatic Atlantean with strong imperialist leanings, would bring them an even worse backlash.

edited 24th Nov '16 1:09:07 PM by KnownUnknown

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#65190: Nov 24th 2016 at 3:49:59 PM

What could also work is that the F4 themselves are from a parallel dimension, one in which the earth is still pretty much stuck in the 1960s and there actually are little kingdoms to rule....lot's or places to explore this way, with no need to explain why the Avengers don't turn up.

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#65191: Nov 24th 2016 at 5:35:36 PM

What if Fox released a sci-fi disaster movie called Galactus, and there's one scene where a bunch of scientists are giving exposition about how this extraterrestrial entity is affecting the globe, and one of the scientists happens to be named Reed Richards? They'd be making a movie from the Fantastic Four intellectual property with (one of) the Fantastic Four technically in it, but would that be enough to let them hold onto the film rights?
Okay, if they did that and it was actually good... I would definitely watch it.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#65192: Nov 24th 2016 at 5:57:04 PM

Even better, have it be a sci-fi disaster movie taking place a long long time ago, in a galaxy far far away (not literally, just couldn't resist the reference).

The twist is that the planet is Zenn-La, the main character is Norrin Radd, and the ending is a bittersweet one where, of course, Norrin saves his planet by sacrificing his free will, but Galactus goes onto to pursue the rest of the universe with Norrin now forced to lead him to other innocent people... but with a tiny shred of rebellion still fighting inside.

edited 24th Nov '16 5:57:35 PM by KnownUnknown

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#65193: Nov 24th 2016 at 8:25:40 PM

That sounds amazing, and I want it now.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#65194: Nov 24th 2016 at 8:44:40 PM

That'd be a pretty great way for Marvel to slip into yet another genre mode. True Kirby-esque space opera, with a tragic twist. Also surfing.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#65195: Nov 24th 2016 at 11:25:41 PM

The origin story if the silver surfer is pretty much on the top of the list of things I want to see...I only know the version from the animated series, but it is heartbreaking. But just consider, they could do a great disaster movie, with the fist act introducing the civilisation and the characters, so that we really care for them, the second act having the arrival of Galactus and the whole tragic about a whole planet about to get snuffed out and the useless attempts to stop him and finally, when all seems lost, the fateful deal, which would be kind of triumphant, because the planet is saved, but also incredible tragic, because the original plan of Norid Rad to lead Galactus to unpopulated worlds fails because he is now the Silver Surfer and doesn't even remember anything but that he has to serve Galactus.

But I would prefer to see the story in the MCU, so that we have this thread of "Galactus is coming" hanging over it. They could then make a Got G movie in which the Got G manage to change the direction of Galactus away from Xanadar only to realize then, that he is now travelling in the direction of earth.

WolyniaBookSeries Since: Nov, 2016
#65196: Nov 25th 2016 at 4:06:18 AM

Side note: Inhumans supposedly takes place on the Moon because the cameras Imax uses are for capturing action scenes there. Attilan or Great Refuge is said to remain cosmic for the first two episodes. Therefore, the Royal Family is not Earth bound yet.

edited 25th Nov '16 5:24:10 AM by WolyniaBookSeries

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
WolyniaBookSeries Since: Nov, 2016
#65198: Nov 25th 2016 at 5:26:54 AM

[up] The update says Zealot design.

WolyniaBookSeries Since: Nov, 2016
#65200: Nov 25th 2016 at 7:11:13 AM

Who in the world would think Venom is in Infinity War.

edited 25th Nov '16 7:28:26 AM by WolyniaBookSeries


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