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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Yeah, Avengers would have happened with or without Loki, it just might not have happened at that exact time. Thanos might have just sent some other agent like Nebula to Earth instead.
And for what it's worth, Doctor Strange would count as a positive achievement since the villain existed and was active before Strange even dreamed of practicing magicks.
edited 12th Nov '16 5:42:26 PM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!It was the Tesserect being what it was that allowed Loki to be ported right to it
Forever liveblogging the AvengersIM 2 is also stretching it. In IM 2 the villain has a grudge against Tony because of something Tony's father did. Tony himself is at no fault (he doesn't even know who Vanko is). The secondary villain (Justin Hammer) is also attacking him because he loathes Tony.
You can't even claim Tony was irresponsible with his tech or anything, because the key plot point of the movie is how Vanko created the tech he did without Tony's influence.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Also, Pym Particles DID enable Wasp to disable a launched nuclear missile during the Cold War. So their creation was overall a positive achievement.
And technically speaking, isn't anything that resulted from Earth being targeted on account of Thor actually Odin's fault for exiling him there, specifically?
edited 12th Nov '16 6:38:59 PM by TheGunheart
Loki in general is the result of Odin's marvelous parenting.
One of the most fun things about the climax to Thor is the fact that from the moment the Warriors Three show up to the point where Loki drops himself off a cosmic cliff he has no idea what the fuck is going on.
- Loki: "We're not brothers. We never were."
- Thor (paraphrased): "What are you, nuts?"
edited 12th Nov '16 6:58:26 PM by KnownUnknown
Shitty parenting is one thing but Loki's also a grown-ass man. There's a reason "Well I my dad liked my other brother more" isn't a valid legal defense for murder. Even before he found out he'd been lied to, he got several guards killed and the Casket almost stolen because he was jealous of his brother.
edited 12th Nov '16 7:04:18 PM by comicwriter
Odin also doesn't seem to have been that bad of a parent. He appears to have cherished and loved Loki like a son pretty well, and both Thor and Frigga also treated him wonderfully. He just seems to have showed some favoritism to Thor, which caused Loki to go Green-Eyed Monster, but it's not like Odin was physically or emotionally abusive to Loki, far from it. Loki's just a emotionally unstable Manchild.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."![]()
Nobody said that Loki isn't accountable for the things he's done - and I especially never said Odin's influence should somehow make Loki's actions defensible. The context of the post is the idea that Loki doing what he did in Thor 1 and Avengers is or isn't Thor cleaning up after his own messes.
Rather, like Vanko and Tony, it's the result of a mess that had little to do with Thor personally and concerns his family's conflicted history moreso than he himself.
edited 12th Nov '16 7:28:31 PM by KnownUnknown
Meh. I'm gonna keep blaming Tony. It's easier.
I always did say (at least half seriously) that he has more of a negative influence then anything else. The one thing he did that hasn't blown up in his face (yet) is flying that nuke into the Chitauri army, and I'm sure that's something that will backfire later because THAT'S Tony Stark.
One Strip! One Strip!I'm not assigning blame so much as looking at whether the Avengers are solving problems that would exist regardless of them, or solving problems associated with themselves (whether or not they directly created those problems). It's not a question of whether they're to blame, but whether their presence/existence has made Earth safer.
If Stark had shut down Stark Industries and lived a normal life in obscurity, the world would be safer than it has been with him as Iron Man. If Thor had never arrived on Earth, then Earth would likely be safer because Loki wouldn't have showed up (and yes, no props to Odin for treating Earth like his own personal Australia). In contrast, if Steve Rogers had lived a normal life in obscurity, the world would be ruled by Hydra.
edited 13th Nov '16 1:46:51 PM by Galadriel
The answer is no. Mmm...how to explain this the best...let's see....ah, we tend to get either tanned or sunburned in summer. Both events are related to the sun. But that doesn't mean that if we stopped getting tanned, we would stop getting sunburned.
For example if Thor never turned up on earth, we would have less fights on earth. But if Thor and Asgard didn't exist at all, it would mean that the earth would be without protection and the nine realms were up to grasp for whoever wants them. You could claim that the Abomination exists in reaction to the Hulk, but the Hulk only exists in reaction to Captain America who in turn exists in reaction to Hydra and the Red Skull.
In the end it boils down to the realisation that knowledge has always positive and negative consequences....for every Ultron there is a Vision, so to speak. But the lack of knowledge doesn't protect us, it only leaves us more vulnerable.
If Odin didn't exist the MCU would be a very different place. The tesseract wouldn't have been dumped on Earth, the red skull wouldn't have come to power, Captain America would have stayed a propaganda figure. Ross would have made the hulk or abomination, Howard wouldn't have access to the tesseract to be inspired to create the arc reactor. That's a major chain of events.
Really I'd be happy to pin a lot on Odin.
Without Odin Earth would probably be part of some other cosmic empire by now though.
edited 13th Nov '16 2:14:56 PM by Whowho
Odin treats earth fairly well. Last time he saved mankind from Frost Giant slavery during the Viking age.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."I assume that those church people were monitoring the stone for Odin
Which didn't end well
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI don't think the movies ever state how the Cube ended up on Earth. If Odin left it deliberately here or if it was just lost during the Frost Giant War for example.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."I'll get into a full post about it later, but I saw Dr. Strange today. I was... underwhelmed.
My various fanfics.

Regardless, Thanos would have come for Earth at some point, given one Infinity Stone is located directly here.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."