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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#64826: Nov 7th 2016 at 2:59:39 PM

So, which Marvel movies do you guys think would fall into the three modern category to recommend to a newcomer: See in theater, rent or skip?

To me, the order is: Theater: CA: The Winter Soldier, CA: Civil War, Iron Man, Avengers

Rent: Got G, Iron Man 3, Avengers: Ao U, CA: TFA, Ant-Man

Skip: Thor: The Dark World, The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2

Thor can go either way depend on if the viewers like Fantasy or not.

Which category would Dr. Strange into?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#64827: Nov 7th 2016 at 3:04:16 PM

[up] It depends on the newcomer...but we had one with us for Doctor Strange and he was pretty much blown away. Anyway, just pick one of the origin movies...perhaps not necessarily The Incredible Hulk, because it is the weakest one, but otherwise, everything goes, one just has to ensure that it fits the taste of the watcher...someone who really doesn't care about Star Wars and Star Trek is unlikely to be interested in Got G for example.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#64828: Nov 7th 2016 at 4:12:25 PM

Iron Man, The Avengers and Captain America 2 are definitely top tier.

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#64829: Nov 7th 2016 at 8:31:22 PM

I feel like Dr. Strange is a "see in theaters" not so much because of its quality (Though that is a reason) but because then you can see it in 3D and that makes the effects trippier.

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hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#64830: Nov 8th 2016 at 4:11:47 AM

I've only seen Iron Man and Civil War in theatres so far, so I probably can't judge. You can't go wrong with those two, I think, and Winter Soldier, too. And I suspect I might have liked both Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy better if I had seen them on a big screen first, and both seem like good points to jump in. The rest, rent.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#64831: Nov 8th 2016 at 5:30:40 AM

If this casting call is true, that's interesting. Looks like that's it for any remaining hope from some people that the cast would be 100% black. I'm assuming it's for scenes at embassies and the like.

edited 8th Nov '16 5:31:08 AM by AlleyOop

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#64832: Nov 8th 2016 at 5:59:52 AM

[up]Given that Wakanda is likely in the process of establishing formal diplomatic relationships with other countries during the events of the movie, at least a scene or two involving the foreign delegations is a reasonably safe bet.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#64833: Nov 8th 2016 at 6:09:42 AM

[up][up] Lupita Nyong'o mentioned in an interview around SDCC that the CIA would aid T'Challa against his enemies, which would back this up. Also, Everett Ross was head of a CIA unit in Civil War. I guess he's moving.

edited 8th Nov '16 6:10:39 AM by hollygoolightly

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#64834: Nov 8th 2016 at 6:12:11 AM

In a movie about politics I would expect some sort of delegation or embassy scene.

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#64835: Nov 8th 2016 at 6:39:18 AM

I will say this about the MCU's diversity: aside from The Incredible Hulk (which has a cast of like, five people), there isn't a single MCU movie without a named POC in the main cast.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#64836: Nov 8th 2016 at 6:41:17 AM

That's pretty insignificant in the scheme of things, though. Movies that have at least one named person of color are more or less the norm these days. Movies that actually manage to be inclusive towards said person, on the other hand...

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#64838: Nov 8th 2016 at 6:44:04 AM

In this day and age that's not necessarily a high bar, especially considering how many characters are in each film. Nowadays casting a 100% white cast is considerably harder to do without conscious effort.

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#64839: Nov 8th 2016 at 6:48:47 AM

I'm just commenting that, if Black Panther had an all black cast, it would technically be less racially inclusive than every other movie put out by Marvel Studios, bar one.

edited 8th Nov '16 6:49:35 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#64840: Nov 8th 2016 at 6:49:12 AM

It's why I was completely unimpressed by Marvel's recent declaration that they're done with all-white superhero movies. Because aside from The Incredible Hulk (I think), they've never done an all-white movie. And that doesn't mitigate their severe representation issues - it just means that somewhere in Marvel's corporate creation machine, there's a guy whose job it is to make sure that the "Diverse Casting" box always gets ticked.

[up] That's really not how inclusivity works, at least going by the definition as used by most representation activists.

edited 8th Nov '16 6:49:46 AM by RBluefish

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#64841: Nov 8th 2016 at 6:53:03 AM

I'm just commenting that, if Black Panther had an all black cast, it would technically be less racially inclusive than every other movie put out by Marvel Studios, bar one.

If the two situations were in any way comparable, I guess.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#64842: Nov 8th 2016 at 6:55:58 AM

It would, in fact, be infinitely more racially inclusive, because it provides central roles for characters who need representation (read: characters who are not white). Something no other MCU film has done to any sufficient degree.

Besides, as per the casting call that was posted, they're also seeking Korean and Filipino actors. I can't exactly name offhand another MCU film that has actively sought out actors of numerous Asian ethnicities.

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#64844: Nov 8th 2016 at 7:10:39 AM

I'm not trying to make any statement here, just noticing something kind of funny if you look at it the right way.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#64845: Nov 8th 2016 at 7:11:09 AM

I think the main roles for Black Panther are already set, and unless Bucky gets defrozen or another Avenger turns up, Everett Ross is the "biggest" white character in the movie, everyone else is black. Those sound like minor roles to me. Perhaps they need some outside attackers.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#64846: Nov 8th 2016 at 7:14:03 AM

[up][up]I'd think Renner would probably be too expensive for a Netflix show, if nothing else. That said, I'd probably put both Clint and Kate in - looking at the same issues from different sides, so to speak. And they're fun together.

[up]Well, there is Klaw, who is on the outside, and who makes for a good minor villain. And is white. And has already been cast. The casting call sounds like it's for extras.

edited 8th Nov '16 7:17:17 AM by hollygoolightly

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#64847: Nov 8th 2016 at 7:25:18 AM

[up] Wait, have they confirmed that Klaw is in the movie?

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#64848: Nov 8th 2016 at 7:27:41 AM

[up] No, but he's still one of the likeliest white characters to appear, seeing that he is a major Black Panther villain and already exists in the MCU. We have no confirmation on Ross either, yet I'd be very surprised if he's not in the movie, as he's also a BP character, and already interacted with T'Challa. Not to mention that there was literally no reason for him to be Everett Ross if they weren't planning to have him show up in BP.

edited 8th Nov '16 7:29:02 AM by hollygoolightly

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#64850: Nov 8th 2016 at 7:59:30 AM

Wasn't it confirmed early on that Freeman was going to be in BP and that's why everyone jumped to Ross in the first place? Anyway the Russos confirmed that some of the minor characters in Civil War were meant to show up in future movies, and I can't help but think they were referring to Ross and Zemo.


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