TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Marvel Cinematic Universe

Go To

Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

  • This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
  • While mild digressions are okay, discussion of the comic books should go in this thread. Extended digressions may be thumped as off-topic.
  • Spoilers for new releases should not be discussed without spoiler tagging for at least two weeks. Rather, each title should have a dedicated thread where that sort of conversation is held. We can mention new releases in a general sense, but please be courteous to people who don't want to be spoiled.

If you're posting tagged spoilers, make sure that the film or series is clearly identified outside the spoiler tagging. People need to know what will be spoiled before they choose to read the post.

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#64801: Nov 6th 2016 at 11:08:49 AM

Not really. If you couldn't have separate installments without a running plot or overarching villains, then Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter wouldn't be series.
I didn't say you can't have them, I just said that the Russo Brothers have stated that the next two Avengers films will be separate movies and not one movie split into two, like, say, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows was. So each film, though it may share running subplots and themes, will have a different story.

...I know. That's kinda why I said this: "Like others have already said, it'd be one of the worst cases of Anti-Climax Boss in history to have Thanos defeated in Infinity War and then have the big touted finale be the Avengers fighting someone completely unrelated."
I don't think it would be. I would find it immensely interesting if, after they beat this big giant huge universal villain, then they come back home...and they have to deal with all the deeply personal villains they have back here. It would be a kind of "Scouring of the Shire" movie, where the Big Bad Sauron/Thanos is defeated, but upon returning to the Shire/Earth, the Hobbits/Avengers now have to deal with a teamup of their other enemies.

edited 6th Nov '16 11:09:30 AM by alliterator

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#64802: Nov 6th 2016 at 11:10:54 AM

How would it be an Anti-Climax? If Thanos is defeated during Infinity War, then that movie will be the climax of the Thanos Story Arc. The Avengers movie after that won't be wrapping up that story; it'll be telling one of its own.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#64803: Nov 6th 2016 at 11:11:56 AM

didn't say you can't have them, I just said that the Russo Brothers have stated that the next two Avengers films will be separate movies and not one movie split into two like, say, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows was. So each film, though it may share running subplots and themes, will have a different story.

That doesn't really have anything to do with what I just said. I said that saying it's not one long movie stretched into two parts doesn't preclude Thanos from being the major threat in both of them.

If you couldn't have the same villain show up in two movies without it being a Movie Multipack, none of the original three Star Wars movies would be considered stand-alone films.

And there's a reason the Scouring of the Shire got cut from the film adaptation...

edited 6th Nov '16 11:15:40 AM by comicwriter

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#64804: Nov 6th 2016 at 11:31:24 AM

First film: Thanos arrives with his army, the heroes go up against him and defeat/depower him.

Second film: Thanos's defeat has Consequences such as the rise of Magus. It's not quite a two-parter like Mockingjay but more like a sequel in the way The Winter Soldier followed up on the themes and plot of The First Avenger while still having a distinct plot of its own. Thanos may or may not resurface as a threat, albeit weakened.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#64805: Nov 6th 2016 at 11:54:55 AM

[up][up] Or like Bucky's storyline carries over from Winter Soldier to Civil War, while both are completely different movies. Only here instead of Cap's BFF we get Gamorra and Nebula's Crazy Dad Who Wants More Blink For His Glove.

edited 6th Nov '16 11:56:20 AM by hollygoolightly

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#64806: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:16:31 PM

The writers will do what they always do....Just like The Winter Soldier was foremost about Steve finding his place in the new world, while the storyline of Bucky was mostly set up for Civil War, Civil War was just more the conclusion of the search for Bucky as well as the beginning of the new conflict. I said it before, but it bears repeating: I am ready to bet that Infinity War will actually be about concluding Civil War, while setting things in motion for the big finale. It might end on some sort of cliff-hanger of the same kind as the search for Bucky was the cliff-hanger for Winter Soldier, but it will also conclude the main arc of the movie. The Captain America Writers ALWAYS do that. Even The First Avenger left the audience wanting to know what Steve will do now that everything he knows is gone.

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#64807: Nov 6th 2016 at 3:48:59 PM

I think it would actually make sense for the second movie to be the one dealing with the fallout of Civil War and the Accords. See, the UN and Ross might've been willing to ignore all these extremely wanted fugitives openly running around while the entire planet was at risk of being destroyed, but after? I feel comfortable saying the Powers That Be would be more than petty enough to try to arrest them all -if not kill them on the spot- as soon as the smoke cleared. Especially if Team Cap has been doing the Secret Avengers thing in the meantime, and possibly making the UN look bad by being better at it than the legal Avengers.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#64809: Nov 6th 2016 at 4:28:47 PM

Shame they couldn't bring back Elfman, ah well.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#64810: Nov 6th 2016 at 5:00:19 PM

As long as Vulture doesn't have a dubstep chorus.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#64811: Nov 6th 2016 at 5:10:38 PM

It's always Michael Giacchino now. Except when it's Hans Zimmer.

I'll admit, Jamie Foxx as Electro kind of worked for me. His growing adolescent paranoia turning his goofy Elfman-esque leitmotif into a scratchy dubstep Stupid Statement Dance Mix because he was trying so hard to be badass, that's not a bad idea.

dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#64812: Nov 6th 2016 at 6:09:35 PM

A possible plot for Avengers 4

  • Thanos realized was a mistake to rely on some stones. So with the help of all his allies, he creates a new plan.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#64813: Nov 6th 2016 at 7:35:50 PM

I am back from a very Strange experience.

I was surprised by the climax of the film not being a battle so much as it was Strange 'bargaining' with Dormy. I was also surprised that Dormammu actually appeared in "person", I thought he'd just be alluded to.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#64814: Nov 6th 2016 at 8:49:17 PM

I just got a brand new computer on Friday. As I'm going through the process of setting up (that is, making everything as close to the way it was as possible) I realized something. Thanks to the MCU, the answer to some old security questions I set up has changed. Because the identity of my favorite superhero has changed.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#64815: Nov 7th 2016 at 12:08:01 AM

I don't think that Ross is truly the issue when it comes to Civil War...Team Cap and Team Ironman need to figure out their personal hang-ups first, then they can agree on a compromise. Let's be honest here, if all heroes say "This is what we want." there is little to governments of the world can do about it if they still want a team to defend them.

[up] *looks at avatar*

Do I have to guess?

Flood-and-Flame Since: Sep, 2014
#64817: Nov 7th 2016 at 7:50:52 AM

Nice! I was wondering if she'd be back for Defenders or if they'd save it for season 3 of Daredevil.

I'm guessing she'll start off as evil, maybe leading The Hand.

willyolio Since: Jan, 2001
#64818: Nov 7th 2016 at 9:57:53 AM

So, with Infinity War coming up, and Vision being very likely to die as Thanos assembles his gauntlet, I thought it would be nice if we had a standalone Vision movie.

Except it isn't about fighting evil or stuff like that. It should be some kind of situational comedy about a super-powered being trying to figure out regular daily life and fitting in.

Also, it would make his death hurt more when it happens.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#64819: Nov 7th 2016 at 9:59:53 AM

Eh, he'll probably survive or be reformed, but be weakened. He might lose his memory or something so the audience still gets that punch vicariously through Wanda.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#64820: Nov 7th 2016 at 10:44:06 AM

I don't think Vision will die.

He never needed an unholy artifact as old as the universe itself to be powerful. The power was inside him all along.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#64821: Nov 7th 2016 at 11:08:51 AM

Or maybe Vision's consciousness remains inside the Mind Stone even after Thanos takes it, and is able to sabotage the Infinity Gauntlet from the inside.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#64822: Nov 7th 2016 at 11:13:48 AM

I don't think Vision has to die in the process of Thanos obtaining the Mind Stone.

He's not going to have a fun time for sure, but I could see him just losing things like his forehead laser and density manipulation abilities. He might also need to get another power source, but that could just be an arc reactor.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#64823: Nov 7th 2016 at 12:30:35 PM

Well everyone always jokes about the lack of consequences and nobody staying dead, so Vision dying would be a nice subversion of that.

...Of course, they already did that with Quicksilver and there are still people who insist he's either not dead or will come back in Infinity War.

Regardless, I expect someone will die.

MapleSamurai Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#64824: Nov 7th 2016 at 1:30:56 PM

So, with Infinity War coming up, and Vision being very likely to die as Thanos assembles his gauntlet, I thought it would be nice if we had a standalone Vision movie.

Except it isn't about fighting evil or stuff like that. It should be some kind of situational comedy about a super-powered being trying to figure out regular daily life and fitting in.

Interesting idea. It reminds me of something Movie Bob said in in his Doctor Strange review (I know Bob can be a polarizing figure, but bear with me). To paraphrase, he said that that not all war movies and police dramas are action movies, so why should every superhero movie be an action movie?

So a sitcom-esque movie about Vision trying to find his place in the daily life of human society would be as good a start as any for non-action superhero films.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#64825: Nov 7th 2016 at 2:11:45 PM

So...just back from Doctor Strange....and I loved it. It's not Civil War, The Winter Soldier, or Got G good, but I think it belongs on one Tier with The First Avenger and Ironman.


Total posts: 186,763
Top