TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Marvel Cinematic Universe

Go To

Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

  • This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
  • While mild digressions are okay, discussion of the comic books should go in this thread. Extended digressions may be thumped as off-topic.
  • Spoilers for new releases should not be discussed without spoiler tagging for at least two weeks. Rather, each title should have a dedicated thread where that sort of conversation is held. We can mention new releases in a general sense, but please be courteous to people who don't want to be spoiled.

If you're posting tagged spoilers, make sure that the film or series is clearly identified outside the spoiler tagging. People need to know what will be spoiled before they choose to read the post.

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#64751: Nov 4th 2016 at 2:01:15 PM

But isn't that the great thing about Agents of shield? They manage to take the most obscure of characters and make them interesting. I am still hoping that Donnie Gill will turn up again one day.....

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#64752: Nov 4th 2016 at 2:01:43 PM

I've been on the fence about whether or not he's trustworthy. He gets my paranoia bells ringing. The fact that he was Captain America mitigates some of my concerns, though, because it means he's probably sincere in his stated goals and motives.

Which doesn't mean he's well-suited to the Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. role, mind. Just that, as demonstrated by letting himself be blackmailed twice, it's more likely that he's going to screw up out of improperly fitting the needs of the position rather than because he has some secret evil agenda. At worst, he might go Knight Templar and do something well-meaning but dangerously reckless like posting all of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s data on 4chan.

edited 4th Nov '16 2:02:57 PM by TobiasDrake

My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#64753: Nov 4th 2016 at 2:02:21 PM

Yup. After the previous replacement Cap was bear hugged to death by a robot.

<Takes closer look at sentence>

Ok, I misread that as the robot specifically being a Bear Robot. And that would have been pretty ridiculous....and awesome.evil grin

One Strip! One Strip!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#64754: Nov 4th 2016 at 2:10:08 PM

[up][up] I have the feeling the point with him is that he means well, but he actually fakes the virtues which are natural to the character of Steve. He is actually a good exercise in how unlikable Captain America can be if played by a lesser actor than Chris Evans, who manages to sell Steve Roger as a very genuine guy.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#64755: Nov 4th 2016 at 2:26:19 PM

Fighting robot bears from the USSR is something that must have happened at some point during the Silver Age, right? Surely.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#64756: Nov 4th 2016 at 2:27:28 PM

If it isn't, somebody should write it. Maybe make Vladimir Putin have a robot bear bodyguard or something. On a unicycle. That turns into a bunch of Russian nesting dolls. And does that one weird dance that Russians do a lot where they cross their arms and kick their legs.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#64757: Nov 4th 2016 at 4:14:06 PM

There was a storyline where Bucky had to fight a bear in a gulag, but that wasn't a robot - it was a shapeshifter.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#64758: Nov 4th 2016 at 9:46:08 PM

[up][up][up][up] I too read that as "hugged to death by a bear robot" at first. But knowing comic books, it's probalby happened somewhere already.

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#64759: Nov 5th 2016 at 10:05:24 AM

SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...what about a "The Thunderbolts" movie?

Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#64761: Nov 5th 2016 at 10:26:19 AM

[up][up] I kind of suspect that Feige is already playing with the idea.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#64762: Nov 5th 2016 at 10:28:57 AM

I assume he's saying that'd be great, and yeah, it would. I doubt it's a high priority at this point, although an adaptation in spirit would be pretty awesome nonetheless. Zemo, Ross, Black Widow, Hawkeye— you've already off to a good start.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#64763: Nov 5th 2016 at 10:36:52 AM

And Bucky. Problem is they need to start letting more of their supervillains live. I hope Moonstone appears in Captain Marvel.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#64764: Nov 5th 2016 at 10:51:43 AM

Well, there is still time...and honestly, they need to tweak the concept a little bit anyway because the idea of them pretending to be heroes while being villains in disguise won't quite work.

But borrowing Moonstone or Screeming Mimi in order to let them turn up someone where in Captain Marvel isn't a bad idea...she lacks her own set of villains after all.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#64765: Nov 5th 2016 at 10:57:18 AM

One of the main problems might be motivation - so far, there is no reason MCU!Zemo would establish something like the Thunderbolts. Hawkeye, Bucky and Black Widow would work together fine, but it makes more sense to do that in a Black Widow movie, especially since none of them is a particular anti-hero.

Meanwhile, neither Zemo or Ross seem much of a team player, and particularly in Ross' case, a movie centred on him leading a team doesn't sound all that entertaining. No offense to William Hurt, but I'd be likelier to watch a film about tiny Cassie Lang becoming a grade school version of Statue.

edited 5th Nov '16 10:59:53 AM by hollygoolightly

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#64766: Nov 5th 2016 at 11:14:10 AM

Well, I was actually thinking just having them all in the same movie would be enough of a spiritual adaptation, I doubt those four would be on a 'team' per se. Ross could be the same obstructive overseeing officer that he always is, Zemo would be the bad guy, and either Black Widow or Hawkeye (or both) could headline. If the Hulk were back at this point, then his presence, in any capacity, would be enough for Ross to involve himself, one way or another.

If Zemo pretends to be Citizen V, and if Moonstone is around by then, then maybe they could steal Shocker or Tinkerer from Spider-Man, maybe a new villain or two specific to this story, and do Justice, Like Lightning... Probably segueing into a real threat halfway through, because we'd still need one of the known superheroes to star in this thing, I think.

Or not. I could be wrong. Maybe they're already planning something else entirely different.

edited 5th Nov '16 11:14:24 AM by Unsung

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#64767: Nov 5th 2016 at 11:37:10 AM

I can actually see Zemo putting together a team of "heroes" in order to be the "better kind" of Avengers as a new way to undermine them, perhaps even recruiting some characters off their rooster...and then the team eventually becoming the salvation of the earth when the secret invasion is revealed.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#64768: Nov 5th 2016 at 11:44:07 AM

It just seems that he simply wouldn't be interested in that kind of thing. I'm not saying that his ego is more humble than that of his comic self, but he doesn't have the same need for showmanship? I can't see this guy running around with the medieval family sword, and I doubt he'd take up superheroing just to show Steve Rogers/The Avengers how much they suck.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#64769: Nov 5th 2016 at 11:49:22 AM

[up] He likes to be the chessplayer, though. That is exactly the kind of mind which would think up something like this.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#64770: Nov 5th 2016 at 11:57:59 AM

But he's not into it for the sake of playing chess. I think they'd have to give him more of a motivation before I'd buy him doing something like this. Which isn't to say they won't.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#64771: Nov 5th 2016 at 12:01:04 PM

They've already confirmed Zemo is coming back so it's kind of moot. All you have to do is evolve his motivations.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#64772: Nov 5th 2016 at 12:14:18 PM

Could also be Zemo on his own though, he does have a long history as a Cap adversary. And in Civil War he did seem a tad obsessed with Steve in particular, going on about the hint of green in his eyes and all that. I simply think the motivation to found the Thunderbolts needs to be a bit more than that.

ETA: Moving away from Zemo a bit - if there was a Thunderbolts movie, who would you like to see as Moonstone and Songbird?

edited 5th Nov '16 12:35:23 PM by hollygoolightly

Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#64773: Nov 5th 2016 at 12:34:10 PM

I'm getting a bit worried about Thor: Ragnarok. I want a movie about Ragnarok, and I want a movie about Thor and Loki running around New York, but I doubt there's enough space in a movie to do them both well.

Never trust anyone who uses "degenerate" as an insult.
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#64774: Nov 5th 2016 at 12:52:45 PM

It's my understanding that most of the movie will be taking place off-Earth.

Oh God! Natural light!
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#64775: Nov 5th 2016 at 1:35:21 PM

I wonder if the climax of the movie will take place in New York, just like The Dark World's took place in the U.K.

edited 5th Nov '16 1:35:29 PM by higherbrainpattern


Total posts: 186,763
Top