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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#64526: Oct 31st 2016 at 5:51:27 PM

AOU isn't worse than the other movies, it's more of the same. It's just that after so many movies, the MCU formula is becoming, well, formulaic.

I definitely don't think it's a bad movie but I definitely don't enjoy it as much as the first one. Part of it is, Avengers 1 was lightning in a bottle and I don't think they're gonna able to intentionally ever be able to recreate something that successful. That same thrill is gonna be hard to ever replicate because the initial novelty of the concept is kinda in "Seinfeld" Is Unfunny territory.

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#64527: Oct 31st 2016 at 6:00:26 PM

@ Halloween: Natasha would dress up as Batman, Thor would be Aquaman for no reason other than he can half-naked, Vision would dress as Superman so he can wear a cape, Tony would dress as one of the revealing female hero so he have a laugh, Wanda would dress as Hawkgirl.

Bruce Banner, Maria Hill and Nick Fury would sit home.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#64528: Oct 31st 2016 at 6:31:38 PM

She had no reason to seek out the Hulk if she didn't know. That's the biggest hole in this Fix Fic theory you guys keep hammering out.
What? Yes, she did have a good reason to seek out the Hulk: to put the mind whammy on him, to give him his biggest nightmare, just like the rest of the Avengers.

Wanda wastes time disabling Banner for no reason.
The reason would be for revenge. Why did she spend time disabling everyone else?

Ultron makes pointless threats about Banner that don't mean anything because Banner isn't doing anything.
Banner escapes from Wanda and runs off still mind-whammied. Ultron sees this and tells Tony that he should catch him.

I mean, clearly "setting the Hulk loose on a city" wasn't part of the original plan, because they had no idea the Avengers were even going to be there or that the Hulk would be there. Ultron just took the opportunity that he had — he's not the same "everything is part of my plan" guy that Loki was, he is more of an improviser (remember, he is based on Tony's personality a bit).

Iron Man has no distraction preventing him from catching up to Ultron's exit strategy.
The distraction would have come from Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. Both were still loose.

"Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to welcome our newest member of the FBI, Osama bin Laden." "Objection! He's committed SO MANY CRIMES. What the f*ck?"
Wow, this is way off base. No, a better example would be if a hacker who once hacked China and then was recruited into the NSA and then was someone tried to pass a law banning the NSA from hacking China by saying that they now employ someone who once did it before he was employed by the NSA. It's something that the law wouldn't have prevented the incident in the first place and the only connection is that the person now works at the NSA.

This would effectively define her as legitimately insane.
No, it wouldn't. A child who doesn't understand the consequences of their actions is not insane. They are simply a child. They do not have the requisite life experience to understand what the consequences to their actions would be.

Now, is Wanda a child? Well, she's around 18, so she's legally an adult, but she also suffered from a trauma as a child that she has shown in Age of Ultron an inability to get past, causing anti-social behaviors. This doesn't mean she is insane, this just means that she suffered a trauma and needs help to overcome it and move past her anger issues.

Sometimes I feel like the only person who likes AOU unambiguously.
I love Age of Ultron, even though I can see the flaws. The film needs to breathe more and they should have never done the Magic Pond scene, but other than that, I loved it.

edited 31st Oct '16 6:32:17 PM by alliterator

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#64529: Oct 31st 2016 at 6:39:23 PM

Age of Ultron is my favorite film ever, I just didn't contribute to the conversation because we've had this conversation before and I said all I'll ever need to say about why I love this movie than.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#64530: Oct 31st 2016 at 7:30:53 PM

Which is ironic because you say that like 3 times a week.tongue

edited 31st Oct '16 7:31:16 PM by comicwriter

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#64531: Oct 31st 2016 at 7:32:28 PM

I don't even remember the last time I posted here.

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#64534: Oct 31st 2016 at 8:41:23 PM

I'm sure everyone said it already, but Tony and Strange both go as Sherlock Holmes for Halloween, then argue with each other in that whole "I can't believe we wore the same dress!" way.

My various fanfics.
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it's a living
#64535: Oct 31st 2016 at 8:44:20 PM

I could see the existence of Strange's completely inexplicable actual magic really getting under Tony's skin, actually.

Strange should go as House.

edited 31st Oct '16 8:45:26 PM by Unsung

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#64537: Nov 1st 2016 at 12:49:55 AM

Thinking broad concerning costumes is too complicated for me...but I can perhaps figure out the costumes for a Disney-Themed Halloween party...let's see....

Clint would naturally be the Fox-version of Robin hood.

Tony Peter Pan...though he might have to shave his beard for this one....though I doubt that Pepper would agree to be Wendy....or Tinkerbell for that matter...oh, well, she is off busy elsewhere anyway...maybe celebrating in a Mary Poppins costume...

Thor and Jane would be dressed up as Hercules and Megara.

Steve would be a male version of Sleeping Beauty (I don't care if he likes it or not, that's what he gets). And Sharon might do the Prince Phillip for him.

Hope would want to be Mulan. And Scott would come as Mushu, just for fun. And Sam would dress up as Shang just to get a little bit revenge on him

Natasha would totally rock a Jessica Rabbit costume.

Rhody would turn up as Buzz Lightyear, so that his leg prostheses don't look odd....

Bruce would dress up as Milo.

Bucky...well, I guess they can decorate his tank a little bit.......

Black Panther would come as Baghira (sorry, couldn't resist that one).

Vision and Wanda will turn up as Phoebus and Esmeralda.

And Spider-man isn't allowed too come because he is too young for Tony's wild parties....plus, he is out there protecting children who a trick and treating....

edited 1st Nov '16 12:50:36 AM by Swanpride

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#64538: Nov 1st 2016 at 5:05:43 AM

[up] I think in your scenario, Bucky would be Snow White.

[up][up] "Facial Hair Bro"?

edited 1st Nov '16 5:06:42 AM by hollygoolightly

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#64539: Nov 1st 2016 at 6:12:59 AM

Let's talk about something fun: for Halloween the Avengers all dress up as members of the Justice League. who wears what costume?

The only acceptable answer.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#64540: Nov 1st 2016 at 6:25:38 AM

It makes them feel powerful.

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#64542: Nov 1st 2016 at 7:08:51 AM

Excellent.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#64543: Nov 1st 2016 at 7:12:36 AM

For real though I do think Thor would dress as Wonder Woman, both as because she's a mighty warrior like himself and as a Call-Back to the Norse Myth, in which Thor dressed up as a woman once.

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#64545: Nov 1st 2016 at 7:29:27 AM

Wow, there are a lot of the supporting cast in the Defenders.

I hope Trish shows up in the Defenders. (Or has it been confirmed that she will show up? I can never keep track.)

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#64546: Nov 1st 2016 at 7:34:52 AM

The reason would be for revenge. Why did she spend time disabling everyone else?

Because they were enemy combatants on the field who needed to be taken out before they took her, Pietro, and Ultron out. Like, you are seriously asking the question, "Why was Character X firing his gun at Character Y, who was in the opposite faction and trying to stop Character X?"

The difference between them and Banner is that they were actively trying to stop her, while Banner was only involved because she deliberately pulled him in.

At no point was disabling anyone about revenge. Working with Ultron was about revenge. Disabling the Avengers was her way of contributing to the fight. She wasn't running around cackling, "MUWAHAHA! Captain America is having fantasies about war! My vengeance is complete!"

Banner escapes from Wanda and runs off still mind-whammied. Ultron sees this and tells Tony that he should catch him.

I mean, clearly "setting the Hulk loose on a city" wasn't part of the original plan, because they had no idea the Avengers were even going to be there or that the Hulk would be there. Ultron just took the opportunity that he had — he's not the same "everything is part of my plan" guy that Loki was, he is more of an improviser (remember, he is based on Tony's personality a bit).

No, it was clearly part of the plan. Like, this is indisputable. Wanda calls Banner "finishing the plan". You can't seriously claim that they had no plan for the Avengers when Wanda acknowledges what she does to an Avenger as part of the plan.

The distraction would have come from Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. Both were still loose.

And would do what to Iron Man, exactly? He's a bit above their pay grade. Was Wanda going to try throwing crates up at him or something while Quicksilver runs around impotently on the ground pretending to help? When Tony decides "Eh, f*ck 'em" and rockets off across the ocean at supersonic speeds to catch Ultron, what do you think the Twins could possibly have done to intervene?

The distraction was the Hulk attacking a city because that's a good distraction. It's the classic "Get the MacGuffin or protect innocent lives" Sadistic Choice.

No, it wouldn't. A child who doesn't understand the consequences of their actions is not insane. They are simply a child. They do not have the requisite life experience to understand what the consequences to their actions would be.

Now, is Wanda a child? Well, she's around 18, so she's legally an adult, but she also suffered from a trauma as a child that she has shown in Age of Ultron an inability to get past, causing anti-social behaviors. This doesn't mean she is insane, this just means that she suffered a trauma and needs help to overcome it and move past her anger issues.

An adult with a child's capacity for comprehending the world around her is, by definition, mentally disabled. I realize you guys are reaching for ways to absolve her, but trying to get her classified as emotionally childlike is not a line of defense you want to go down.

edited 1st Nov '16 7:36:44 AM by TobiasDrake

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#64547: Nov 1st 2016 at 7:37:39 AM

[up][up] I believe I read somewhere she'll be in it. cbr, or some site like that? I hope it wasn't just wishful thinking, but given who else has been confirmed by now, it would be very odd if she wasn't. Trish is arguably JJ's main supporting character.

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#64548: Nov 1st 2016 at 7:38:36 AM

Wanda ripped through Vibranium. I don't think she would have much trouble doing the same to Tony's suit, if so inclined.

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#64549: Nov 1st 2016 at 7:41:11 AM

Ultron Prime was already incapacitated at the time and could do nothing to defend himself. Tony has Tank Missiles.

Best case scenario, she manages to hold him from running off for five seconds until he explodes her face and resumes pursuit. She's a Squishy Wizard. She has no business in direct combat against the powerhouses without a team backing her up.

edited 1st Nov '16 7:42:57 AM by TobiasDrake

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#64550: Nov 1st 2016 at 7:44:00 AM

Lets just agree that its WHEDON!!!'s fault and assume that Wanda was possessed by... Cassandra Nova... from the future.

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