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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#64501: Oct 31st 2016 at 11:51:25 AM

Misty Knight better get her vibranium arm this time.

The most disappointing part of Luke Cage was that Misty did not lose her arm. tongue

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#64502: Oct 31st 2016 at 1:21:35 PM

Joss Whedon handed them a Wanda that committed some really bad acts, put her on the team at the end and then ran off cackling.

Maybe, maybe not. Recall that it was going to be Captain Marvel at the end, not Wanda.

Overall, it doesn't help that the only real discussion we get regarding the twins' culpability is Captain America comparing them to merely soldiers on the opposite side of a war. Which is a fitting comparison, but even war has rules like "don't attack civilians, or you go on trial for war crimes."

edited 31st Oct '16 1:23:25 PM by Tuckerscreator

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#64503: Oct 31st 2016 at 1:27:46 PM

Whedon pretty much failed with making Age of Ultron shorter, because somehow it felt longer. I can't be the only one that had ending fatigue when watching it, right?

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#64504: Oct 31st 2016 at 1:32:13 PM

[up]It did. For me at least the final battle was where the frequent It's the Same, Now It Sucks! criticisms people fling at the movie were most apparent. I felt like I'd seen this before (and better) in the first film.

I suspect Whedon felt he could make a shorter film by virtue of not needing to spend 120 minutes getting the whole team together this time, but alas.

edited 31st Oct '16 1:33:01 PM by comicwriter

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#64505: Oct 31st 2016 at 1:42:58 PM

Another big brawl with CGI mooks flying in and shooting at the team from all directions really was too close to the Chitauri.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#64506: Oct 31st 2016 at 1:45:06 PM

I regret that they didn't have any scenes in tunnels or caves or whatever. The bits from Ultron Unlimited that AOU seemed to be drawing from. Avengers surrounded and Ultrons coming from every direction, out of every passage and crack.

And also that Thor did not express the need to have words with Ultron.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#64507: Oct 31st 2016 at 1:54:58 PM

Another thing that got me is that the sequence after South Africa (and no, this isn't to do with Wanda). In any other movie, this is where the plot reaches that point where it looks like the heroes can't save the day, and then something comes along to help them save the day. But then the movie keeps going right after that because they needed it to be "MORE ACTION, MORE SCENERY, MORE LOCATIONS" and then you get another sequence like that when Black Widow is captured.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#64508: Oct 31st 2016 at 3:13:04 PM

[up]That is true. The Darkest Hour trope usually comes towards the end of the second act in stories, not towards the beginning of it.

Speaking of which, this is a good video about three act structure.

edited 31st Oct '16 3:13:12 PM by Tuckerscreator

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#64509: Oct 31st 2016 at 3:20:52 PM

Yeah, Ao U really screwed up the three act structure.

Personally, if they wanted to fix that, then I think they should've moved the Hulk rampage to another part of the film.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#64510: Oct 31st 2016 at 3:24:30 PM

I swear.

Sometimes I feel like the only person who likes AOU unambiguously.

I just...don't care about the stuff that seems to piss people off. I thought it was a good movie when I watched it, and I still do now, and it's impossible for me to get why it seems to piss people off to the point where they felt the need to rip Whedon twenty new ones.

Anyway, as for Wanda....you know what? I'm done. Just toss her off a cliff. Tony too. I don't care. If we're gonna keep having these discussion seriously (as opposed to my more joking it's all Tony's fault diatribe....which isn't always a joke I admit) then I say kill them all and let Stan Lee sort them out.

That will teach all of you a lesson. All of you.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#64511: Oct 31st 2016 at 3:29:41 PM

I mean, I've defended the film before, but that doesn't mean I like all of it. It's a flawed film that has a lot of good, but the flaws are noticeable and kind of stupid.

And yes, I'm getting incredibly annoyed by the continuing Wanda-Tony discourse as well, but I don't think that's the proper solution to it, Rob.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#64512: Oct 31st 2016 at 3:32:23 PM

All that's left for Handsome Rob is revenge.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#64513: Oct 31st 2016 at 3:47:00 PM

I don't like it unambiguously but I like it overall.

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hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#64514: Oct 31st 2016 at 3:51:27 PM

I think what frustrated me about Ao U is that you can see a good movie in there. And for a while it is promising. And then it all kind of falls apart. I'm not sure that's just Whedon's fault, though, since Feige getting fed up with the overseeing Marvel group (Perlmutter et al) infamously happened while the film was made, and a lot of the stuff that doesn't really work seems to be the result of Executive Meddling.

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#64515: Oct 31st 2016 at 3:57:15 PM

Wow. Okay, I'd like to apologize. I feel like I inadvertently caused a big brouhaha that left everybody at differing levels of pissed-off, and I didn't mean to. It's just, I come here when I have a thought about this stuff because I really don't have anywhere else to talk about it.

Let's talk about something fun: for Halloween the Avengers all dress up as members of the Justice League. who wears what costume?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#64516: Oct 31st 2016 at 4:08:31 PM

Meh. I was mostly joking about killing them all.

I try and solve a lot of my fiction based problems by finding a big enough fictional cliff to toss them off of.

I mean, back in the day, that was the best way to kill a dude, so it just seems fitting.

One Strip! One Strip!
hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#64517: Oct 31st 2016 at 4:13:16 PM

Rocks fall, everyone dies is often the best solution. If that doesn't work, A Wizard Did It should do the job.

I only vaguely remember the Justice League, so everyone will dress up as either Wonder Woman, Superman, or Batman.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#64518: Oct 31st 2016 at 4:14:30 PM

Tony dresses up as Rocket Red, spends the whole time imitating a terrible Russian accent. Natasha has to refrain from hitting him.

Natasha is Batman, btw.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#64519: Oct 31st 2016 at 4:15:34 PM

I also liked AOU overall, even if the parts that did bother me REALLY bothered me.

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#64520: Oct 31st 2016 at 4:39:58 PM

AOU isn't worse than the other movies, it's more of the same. It's just that after so many movies, the MCU formula is becoming, well, formulaic.

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#64521: Oct 31st 2016 at 4:40:44 PM

So who do you think will be the Defenders leader? I thought it was gonna be DD, but after seeing Luke Cage, he has the making of a better leader.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#64522: Oct 31st 2016 at 4:41:07 PM

It pretty much hit it's apex with the first Avengers film.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#64523: Oct 31st 2016 at 4:50:28 PM

The last two Captain America movies were the peak for me. The first Avengers movie was an achievement, and it deserves kudos for showing that the whole experiment of the extended MCU had been worthwhile and could pay off big, but it has the same...disconnected feel as AOU, and for that matter, Whedon's previous big-budget movie, Serenity. Great scenes and setpieces, cool action sequences and snappy dialogue, but it doesn't really flow that well. I still like Joss Whedon, but his sensibilities were honed for TV and that shows.

edited 31st Oct '16 5:03:39 PM by Unsung

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#64524: Oct 31st 2016 at 4:58:29 PM

Wow. Okay, I'd like to apologize. I feel like I inadvertently caused a big brouhaha that left everybody at differing levels of pissed-off, and I didn't mean to. It's just, I come here when I have a thought about this stuff because I really don't have anywhere else to talk about it.

Let's talk about something fun: for Halloween the Avengers all dress up as members of the Justice League. who wears what costume?

Don't blame yourself. It's more accurate to say you accidentally tripped over a brouhaha that's been boiling for months and occasionally flares up at the slightest provocation. A lot of people - myself included - have very strong opinions about Civil War. Which was the point of Civil War so, y'know, job well done on that.

Nobody's mad at you or anything. We're just very passionate people. ^.^

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#64525: Oct 31st 2016 at 5:47:31 PM

We could do favourite listings again...I'll start.....

Movies I consider so close to perfect that I have nitpicks at worst: The Winter Soldier, Civil War, Got G.

Movies I consider really good, though I would tweak one or two things about them: The Avengers, The First Avenger, Iron Man

Movies I which ended up uneven overall, but have enough good in them that they still get a thumbs up from me: Ant-Man, Age of Ultron, Thor (yeah, Thor made it higher on my list, the more often I see the movie the more I like it...though still mostly for Loki).

Movies which are problematic, but still fun to watch: Both Iron Man Sequels and The Dark World.

Movies I don't like: The Incredible Hulk...it's not really a bad movie, but it still bores me.

I just realized....is Doctor Strange (which btw performed beyond expectations in its first week, especially in Korea) the 13th Marvel movie? Fitting....

Edit: Oh, wait....it's number 14, Civil War was number 13...just as fitting considering what happened in the movie....

edited 31st Oct '16 5:49:04 PM by Swanpride


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