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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#64126: Oct 23rd 2016 at 12:30:44 PM

Making Captain Marvel into Die Hard on Kree Spaceship would be awesome.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#64127: Oct 23rd 2016 at 12:38:26 PM

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#64130: Oct 23rd 2016 at 1:00:58 PM

I'm game if it means we get to see Brie Larson say "yippie-kie-yay, motherfucker."

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#64131: Oct 23rd 2016 at 1:01:57 PM

Okay? A good movie is a good movie. Just relax, a little.
-sigh- I know. I know. Still, they could at least have it resonate a tad with the source instead of go (completely) off the rails.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#64132: Oct 23rd 2016 at 1:08:10 PM

Dude we don't even know that much about what the movie's going to be like yet. No need to get all pessimistic about it and how it's totally going to be full of Adaptation Decay yet.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#64133: Oct 23rd 2016 at 1:08:51 PM

What for? The Origin story of Peter Quill is nothing like in the comics except for the fact that he is half-alien. But the story about a child which got abducted seconds after his mother died of cancer and spend the next years growing up as a Ravenger is way more compelling than the story of some a-hole who stole the position of someone else for entirely selfish reasons.

So, honestly, I don't care what they do with Captain Marvel as long as the result is a good watch.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#64135: Oct 23rd 2016 at 1:14:41 PM

But the story about a child which got abducted seconds after his mother died of cancer and spend the next years growing up as a Ravenger is way more compelling than the story of some a-hole who stole the position of someone else for entirely selfish reasons.
That would've just as easily fit the idea of the Guardians being a bunch of sinful lowlifes who found themselves united to fight for something bigger than themselves.

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#64136: Oct 23rd 2016 at 1:22:51 PM

If we're voting on Captain Marvel Plots, then I'm pushing for team-up, with Mar-Vell as the alien Science Hero mentor, and Carol as the Badass Normal who suddenly gains super powers that neither one of them understand. On the villain side, you've got the renegade Kree Yon-Rogg, a small army of disposable Kree Mooks in power armor or some such, and Karla Sofen/Moonstone acting as Yon-Rogg's Dragon in exchange for super powers.

Carol Danvers is a trained operative. She wants to prove herself, both as Captain Danvers and Captain Marvel, but not at the expense of the mission. She has to walk a tightrope between her new partner Mar-Vell and her superiors, who are very concerned about an unknown alien presence on Earth again. Captain Mar-Vell is reserved and a little condescending to the primitive humans, but he really does want the best for us. Just like Carol, he's caught between his alien partner and his Kree superiors, who are very concerned about the Earth and all the attention it's getting.

Yon-Rogg is totally a bad guy, who's using run-of-the-mill Kree tech to conquer Earth- however, he's also trying to establish a safe haven for his Kree sub-group at Earth's expense. His evil plan is to use humanity's tendency for superpowers to build an army of superpowered human Cannon Fodder led by Kree rebels. Karla is also totally a bad guy, who's willing to sell out Earth for power- but, she's Genre Savvy enough to know that Yon-Rogg has no real army and that the Avengers could show up at any moment and save the day, just like they always do. So, she's ready and able to fake Brainwashed and Crazy to fool the good guys into being lenient on her: "It wasn't me, it was the awesome powers he forced on me totally against my will!"

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#64137: Oct 23rd 2016 at 1:30:50 PM

[up]Not bad. But I would make it so that Moonstone is a Kree interrogator assigned by military officer Yon Rogg to capture Carol post-powerup for further study (the Kree want to jumpstart their own evolution, and he believes Carol is the key, plus this breakthrough would help him further his career and status).

Either that, or the Kree are trying to make their own super-soldiers in an effort to become a galactic superpower, and they're afraid that if Xandar discovers Carol and finds out the Kree was behind her transformation, it will cause an international incident resulting in heavy sanctions against them. OR it could be that Yon Rogg was acting behind his superiors' back and wants to mop up the evidence before he gets found out and severely reprimanded.

edited 23rd Oct '16 1:39:35 PM by nervmeister

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#64138: Oct 23rd 2016 at 2:30:14 PM

But I would make it so that Moonstone is a Kree interrogator assigned by military officer Yon Rogg to capture Carol post-powerup for further study (the Kree want to jumpstart their own evolution, and he believes Carol is the key, plus this breakthrough would help him further his career and status).

I think Moonstone should remain human. I don't know if they've ever interacted in the comics, but they're surprisingly similar. They've got similar power sets, they're both ambitious and driven to succeed, they're both Flying Bricks who are also logical thinkers. Moonstone would be a good Evil Counterpart to Captain Marvel, and if she's alien, you lose that.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#64139: Oct 23rd 2016 at 5:14:27 PM

[up]I dont know if the Kree would willingly give a "primitive" that kind of power to do something on their behalf as opposed to one of their elite troops, or say.............a genetically-engineered clone.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#64140: Oct 23rd 2016 at 5:42:39 PM

Carol and Karla (Moonstone) only became enemies during Dark Reign, when the members of the Thunderbolts took over the roles of some Avengers. Moonstone became Ms. Marvel naturally wearing her old uniform.

Before that, I don't think the two ever ran afoul of each other despite their mutual connection with the Kree.

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Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#64141: Oct 23rd 2016 at 6:20:38 PM

I'm going through Luke Cage and getting sick of them shitting on his Power Man origins.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#64142: Oct 23rd 2016 at 6:24:30 PM

How so?

I mean, they make fun of the original comic outfit but the origin seems pretty faithfully adapted if modernized.

edited 23rd Oct '16 7:20:29 PM by Bocaj

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#64143: Oct 23rd 2016 at 7:14:47 PM

What was wrong with it? Diamondback I can understand.

Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#64144: Oct 23rd 2016 at 7:20:22 PM

I didn't them saying the name Power Man was corny and Luke dismissing the outfit after seeing it.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#64145: Oct 23rd 2016 at 7:24:50 PM

They did the same thing in Jessica Jones. While it would understandably clash with the tone to play them straight, I'd rather they keep them out entirely.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#64146: Oct 23rd 2016 at 7:25:06 PM

[up][up] It is a pretty silly outfit. Can you imagine it working in live action?

edited 23rd Oct '16 7:25:19 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#64147: Oct 23rd 2016 at 7:30:22 PM

We see it in live action, and he looks a damn fool.

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#64148: Oct 23rd 2016 at 9:52:44 PM

At least he doesn't look like a pimp Stormtrooper.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#64149: Oct 23rd 2016 at 10:05:40 PM

It has become kind of standard that the hero is confronted with stupid costumes and then says "Nah, I don't do that" (Other than Cap, who was actually forced to wear his stupid costume on stage!). I said before Luke Cage was released that I didn't want another scene in which one character tries to convince the hero to wear a stupid costume...but the way Luke Cage did the "yeah, we know that this is how he looked like, but see for yourself, doesn't this look silly?" scene was so creative that I didn't mind. U was laughing so heard because the poor guy was really saddled with one of the worst designs of them all. I like the bullet hole Hoody way better as "costume".

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#64150: Oct 23rd 2016 at 10:14:04 PM

They started doing it in The Incredible Hulk and haven't stopped since. The only character in the films that keeps an incredibly comic-booky appearance is Vision - even Thor gets more of a "medieval warrior" aesthetic.

Minus the tiara, I'd actually say Luke's classic look isn't particularly silly unless you you specifically set out to make it look that way, which they did (it's just a yellow shirt and pants, after all - I'd give him an undershirt, but it's still really easy to make casual), but I can see why they did so.

Though it makes Diamondback's incredibly campy appearance in the final fight all that more noticeable.

edited 23rd Oct '16 10:17:11 PM by KnownUnknown


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