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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#64101: Oct 23rd 2016 at 9:52:14 AM

Sounds like the Captain Marvel director delay is because they're still trying to figure out how to fit it in with the next Avengers movie.

"With Captain Marvel," continued Feige, "there's so much potential in the comics and there have been so many incarnations of her powers and the characters who've had that mantle that we've been focusing in on exactly how do we tell her origin. How does it fit into the cosmic side of our universe? How does it fit into what we're doing with the next Avengers movies? So really, that's what's been delaying that particular announcement."

Also while talking about her strength he said they need to make sure she has realistic flaws as a human to counterbalance her powers. I wonder if they might use her drinking problem.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#64102: Oct 23rd 2016 at 10:00:22 AM

Doubt it. We already have a drinking heroine.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#64104: Oct 23rd 2016 at 10:07:06 AM

Not on the big screen, and the movies don't really tend to acknowledge much about the small screen, street level* type TV heros in any case. Playing on the alcoholism angle could actually be pretty interesting given Stark's own history with that particular problem - if the plan is to phase out Stark as a headline act but keep him in the storyline he could be a mentor or sponsor of Carol's (who as an Air Force member he would meet via Rhodey.)

  • By which I mean they literally operate on the streets of NYC, not a power level thing as Jess, Luke and Danny could all feasibly hang with the main Avengers in power-level terms, probably Matt too though he lacks the hitting power the others have innately or through gadgets.

edited 23rd Oct '16 10:08:57 AM by jakobitis

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#64105: Oct 23rd 2016 at 10:07:16 AM

[up][up][up] Do you mean Jessica?

Because the movies and the tv shows are different things.

edited 23rd Oct '16 10:07:33 AM by Draghinazzo

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#64106: Oct 23rd 2016 at 10:08:29 AM

I think my "alien abduction" origin is still the best option that stays spiritually true to the source material while taking pragmatic liberties. The main conflict facing The Kree (besides the Skrulls) was the fact that they were reaching an evolutionary dead end, hence their efforts at coming up with an artificial method to induce the next phase of their evolution (Terrigen Mist being one of them). And given how ruthless they tend to be portrayed as, it makes sense that they would kidnap humans and experiment on them like lab monkeys. So they could snatch Danvers and Rambeau, and start messing with their DNA/cells with Mar-Vell himself being the reluctant Chief Scientist coordinating the experiments. So that's all three of the title-holders having more-or-less significant roles in the same movie without it being a copy-and-paste comic book adaptation.

edited 23rd Oct '16 10:34:35 AM by nervmeister

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#64107: Oct 23rd 2016 at 10:25:36 AM

My guess is that they are still deciding whether or not to fold her origin story (or at least how she gets powers) into Infinity War. The direction they go here at minimum changes the entire first act of the movie.

If they fold her origin story into Infinity War, then I could see them do something like have Carol Danvers get involved simply because they needed an awesome pilot, and then she ends up pulling a heroic sacrifice to destroy the weapon Thanos is using to attack Earth. However instead of dying she ends up being transformed by the weapon's power.

Then her movie can start with her already having superpowers, but not really understanding their potential.

Either way, I do think it's very important to have some sort of cause -> effect relationship between what she does in Infinity War and her gaining superpowers.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#64108: Oct 23rd 2016 at 10:30:25 AM

I don't know who put this in the WMG section for Black Panther but it's perfect. I'm still laughing.

Similar to how many people thought Scott Eastwood was playing Nightwing in disguise in Suicide Squad and it turning out to be some soldier guy, any white actress confirmed to have a bit part, like as a foreign diplomat briefly seen with T'Challa, will be thought to be Jessica Drew in disguise for Hydra. It'll be widely believed for arbitrary reasons. Then she'll turn out to be just as minor as suggested and definitely not Jessica Drew at all.

Perfection.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#64109: Oct 23rd 2016 at 10:33:04 AM

[up][up]I'd rather have her origin be Kree-related. There's only so many liberties you can take with a character's back story and/or character arc before it stops feeling like an "adaptation" (even loosely) and starts smelling like someone wiped their own ass with the comics. I want to see Captain Marvel, not "Captain Infinity".

In fact after "Ego-lord", I'm really concerned about the cosmic side of the MCU.

edited 23rd Oct '16 10:54:07 AM by nervmeister

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#64110: Oct 23rd 2016 at 10:54:22 AM

The MCU has been taking liberties with the comics from the beginning, so it's crying over spilled milk at this point. Even with Star-Lord's dad, the change really doesn't matter.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#64111: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:00:16 AM

[up]No. It's crying over something far more important. I dont want to turn around and see Wasp getting her head bitten off by someone, or Doctor Doom as CEO of Assholes Inc., or Galactus as a cloud, space gnats, or Trevor fucking Slattery! My manbaby tears are warranted (this time)!

edited 23rd Oct '16 11:03:16 AM by nervmeister

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#64112: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:02:32 AM

Galactus as a cloud actually has some basis in the comics. I'm not sure what the Wasp comment is about.

Changing stuff from the comics is not inherently bad. They have a lot of stupid stuff that should be altered or modernized.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#64113: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:04:01 AM

It's not like the original interpretations are going anywhere. The 616 universe is still going on.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#64114: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:06:09 AM

Trevor Slattery was great, and this version of Peter Quill (and Drax, and Ronan, and Tony Stark for that matter) is likable enough to justify the changes from my perspective. I have enough faith in the MCU's guiding hand at this point that I can believe the changes they make will make for a good movie and overarching metaplot even if it does mean drastic changes to comics lore.

If Ayesha/Kismet/Her is the closest we get to Adam Warlock (for now) and Captain Marvel's origin story is some hybrid of all the *other* Captain Marvels Marvel has had, I'm pretty sure I can live with that. It's not like this is some classic origin story which warrants being endlessly and repeatedly retold like a Greek myth, like Batman or Spider-Man's.

Wasp getting her head bitten off happens in Marvel Zombies, I think. Galactus as a cloud is Ultimate Galactus, but I assume you already knew that.

edited 23rd Oct '16 11:14:05 AM by Unsung

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#64115: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:06:39 AM

[up][up][up]Dude, I already did Feige's job for him and modernized Carol's origin while connecting it to the larger MCU and staying spiritually true to the source material instead of utterly alienating it.

edited 23rd Oct '16 11:07:08 AM by nervmeister

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#64116: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:07:52 AM

[up]How do you know they're not already planning to do something like that?

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#64117: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:19:11 AM

[up]Because MCU suffers frequently from a case of "Good movie/ Bad adaptation". And I'm a man who currently needs his cake fix.

edited 23rd Oct '16 11:19:34 AM by nervmeister

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#64118: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:23:27 AM

In the idea I am working with, Thanos's weapon could be built by the Kree and have reality-warping capabilities. Thus making it a clear version of the Psyche-Magnatron.

I would even go as far as making Yon-Rogg the dragon to Thanos in Infinity War.

That way she gets her superpowers in a manner fairly equivalent to how she got it in the comics. The only real difference would be the context.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#64119: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:27:20 AM

[up]The Kree are not some kind of "Henchmen R Us" for Thanos, dammit! They have their own shit to worry about.

edited 23rd Oct '16 11:28:24 AM by nervmeister

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#64120: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:46:23 AM

Eh. Like everyone else has already said if it works for the story then it really doesn't matter.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#64121: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:57:35 AM

[up]Everytime you say something like that, Tobey Macguire gets closer to being cast as Shazam.

edited 23rd Oct '16 11:58:01 AM by nervmeister

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#64122: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:59:15 AM

"Die Hard" on an X. Carol infiltrates a Kree ship and learns about the Kree Supreme Intelligence's plans, then willingly uses the wishing machine to give herself powers. Powers she then uses to kick ass and stop the Kree Invasion with.

edited 23rd Oct '16 12:12:10 PM by VeryMelon

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#64123: Oct 23rd 2016 at 12:03:35 PM

[up][up]Okay? A good movie is a good movie. Just relax, a little.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#64125: Oct 23rd 2016 at 12:11:19 PM

[up][up][up] "Now I have super powers. Ho Ho Ho."

My various fanfics.

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