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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
That's generally what you do with OP characters: you have them face other OP characters and have them, in some way, cancel each other out.
edited 22nd Oct '16 8:55:53 AM by alliterator
edited 22nd Oct '16 9:22:13 AM by nervmeister
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Exactly. "Have them fight other OP characters" doesn't really work out that well because characters are rarely OP in ways that actually counter each other. Instead, they usually wind up in the same position they're in when they fight non-OP characters: making up some stupid bullshit for why the thing wouldn't work.
Like, if you pit Magneto against Deadpool, then Deadpool will happen to have a special non-magnetic disabler ray that nullifies Magneto's powers or something. This becomes no less stupid if you have Iron Man shooting the anti-magnetism ray.
Some powersets turn characters into a walking Bullshit Magnet, and Monica's got one of them.
edited 22nd Oct '16 10:09:54 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.If you want to say that any fight between any two characters can be solved through bullshit, I would agree with you. But that's a different argument.
edited 22nd Oct '16 10:27:08 AM by alliterator
Exactly what I always say. That's the reason why I usually don't do "who would win" discussions, unless it is a "who would win in this particular situation" one...but that is not fun to discuss because I care who would win, but because than I can consider what each hero would use to his or her advantage. IE Ironman is pretty powerful....in tight space, though, not so much, because this makes it way easier for other heroes to damage his armour. Hawkeye can actually do a lot of damage from afar, but in hand to hand combat he would loose against every single one of the Avengers. Aso.
I enjoy "who would win?" discussions, but only with character with at least vaguely defined power levels (so Superman can't be included in any of these discussions, ever) and accounting the different scenarios and strategies they might employ.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Re: Monica. They're under no obligation to stick to the comics' power ratio - if they wanted to introduce Monica (which they probably won't, but speaking hypothetically here), they could easily just nerf her. It's already an adaptation, and adaptations are almost invariably unfaithful to one degree or another.
Plus, they've said that Carol will be the most powerful MCU hero to date when she gets her introduction, so it's not like they're shying away from the idea of an incredibly powerful Captain Marvel.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."edited 22nd Oct '16 12:14:15 PM by nervmeister
Yeah, this:
Is why Stan Lee's rant - though very accurate and important to other discussions - isn't really relevant here. In fact, it highlights the problem: the winner of a fight is due to the writer, and as such it's the writers responsibility to utilitze the characters such that their successes or losses make sense and work with their power set.
As a writer you can have Spider-Man beat Thanos if you really want to, but if you're doing it you have to make it work. If a character loses simply because they never remember to use their powers effectively, that cheapens those powers and makes them look like an idiot - and, worse, make is obvious that they're only losing because the writers say so.
I do, however, agree that the easiest solution is to simply tone down her powers in the adaptation. Even if she's still has all those light-based powers, streamline it so that it's applications are less numerous.
edited 22nd Oct '16 12:40:27 PM by KnownUnknown

Monica is definitely ridiculously overpowered, but pretty much across the board, MCU characters tend to be weaker than their comic counterparts.
We were just discussing this not too long ago when Feige discussed Doctor Strange's reputation for being a Story Breaker and how they'd cleverly set it up so he can be threatened or defeated in Infinity War without it looking ridiculously contrived.