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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Yeah, I hope she gets her powers the same way she does in the comics: there is a wishing machine
that exploded when she was around.
edited 20th Oct '16 10:51:02 PM by alliterator
They've already said they'll change her origin story, though. My guess would be, no Mar-Vell, or at least a significantly altered Mar-Vell (just saying, if they turned him into a woman for example, at least the subtext of the most powerful female superhero getting her powers gracefully bestowed by a dude would go away).
She didn't get her powers from being "bestowed" by a dude, though. It was because both of them were literally in the vicinity of a wishing machine when it blew up and they were bathed in its radiation and she was wishing to have powers like him. He didn't give her anything.
edited 21st Oct '16 1:11:48 AM by alliterator
It would be good in a way, but on the other hand, it would be an Asian woman who winds up getting killed or sidelined to empower and center a white woman. In the current climate, the moment a cool badass Asian superheroine walked into the movie, complete with cosmic powers, I would forget all about Brie Larson.note My only thought would be "can this movie be about her?"
edited 21st Oct '16 1:35:09 AM by RBluefish
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."Naturally, that would have been the best solution, but I fear some heads in the Marvel executive layer would have exploded.
Come to think of it, it would already be great if they just introduced Kamala in Captain Marvel, but I guess even if that happened, it won't be more than a cameo.
edited 21st Oct '16 1:44:32 AM by hollygoolightly
Not just the executives, but the fans. You would be able to hear the heads popping like bubbles from New York to L.A. I swear, I've never had somebody get so pissed at me online as when I once offhandedly mentioned in a chatroom that I thought Carol should be cast as a WoC in the MCU. Importing no drama, of course, but it was startling how angry that idea seemed to make someone.
With Kamala - yeah, I'd totally take a cameo if it meant that she was going to be starring in some sort of follow-up story. If they introduced her as an ordinary teenager in Captain Marvel, for the purposes of setting her up for her origin story and consequent solo film (or series, whatever), I'd be all over that.
edited 21st Oct '16 1:48:14 AM by RBluefish
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."I think it would be more fruitful to make a movie about an actual heroine who was originally nonwhite than to Race Lift Carol. If people are already that annoyed at things like Asgard being more scifi than magic or changes in hair color then it's not that out of the realm of the ordinary. The degree of anger is the unreasonable thing, but the fact that it exists should not be a shocker to all but the most naive people.
And I don't think it's inherently wrong for fans to want to want some sort of faithfulness to the source material, and that's usually expressed in things like appearance and design. People have gotten upset over more minor changes, and I haven't always disagreed with them either so it's definitely a subjective thing. After all people didn't take too kindly to Wasp being cut out of the original Ant-Man for lack of faithfulness as much as the other more political reasons.
I mean, you could do something like make a Moon Knight movie that's a heavy Author Tract about climate change, because it would be using the series' media power to make a very important and useful social message, but straying that far from the source material would piss off a lot of fans and not necessarily because they're climate change denialists. Likewise you could make a Mario movie where Princess Daisy is now a Chinese woman in a blue sari for diversity purposes, but is there a point to it. In general pushing for Race Lift as the primary means of getting diversity over original characters seems like eating scraps off the white man's table. And Captain Marvel hasn't been in the public consciousness long enough to be truly iconic as she is now but Marvel damn wants her to be, so making her someone who isn't a blonde woman isn't useful from a pure pragmatic standpoint.
edited 21st Oct '16 2:01:49 AM by AlleyOop
You can bet that the same fans who want Captain Marvel to look like Captain Marvel will insist on Ms Marvel looking like Ms Marvel, too.
I honestly don't like the "I want to have the same powers as a guy" approach either. How about having her trapped with a Kree somewhere and he tells her that the only way out is too use some sort of Machine which can bestow powers on them, and in the last moment she realizes that he intends to betray her and tricks him so that she will get the power and not him? It would change Mar-Vell's character, but honestly, who the hell cares? The Female Captain Marvels have always been the more popular ones.
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Absolutely, but racebending, like genderbending is at least an interesting thought experiment, which can illustrate how automatically creators go for white characters or male characters to adapt for the screen. For example, I think that Storm is a character who could carry solo movies as easily as Wolverine, but the films consistently ignore and sideline her. (Not MCU, I know, but I'm not that well-versed in non-X Men Marvel characters)
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I don't think some of those heads would be such a loss. Also, people are much more able to deal with change than they think, you only have to challenge them.
edited 21st Oct '16 1:59:56 AM by hollygoolightly
See, people always say this to me when I suggest Race Lifting a white character, and my answer is always the same: it's most fruitful to do both. In a perfect world, there's no reason at all that we can't both amplify existing characters of color (or create new ones) while at the same time merrily racebending away.
You can argue that in this climate, it's easier to sell executives on one or the other than it is both - but then if we're talking realism...we're not really getting either. Like when people say to me "why do you want an Asian Iron Fist, you should want a Shang-Chi series." And I want to say "I want both of those things, and I will not get either."
I think it should be an actual crime that Storm still hasn't gotten a solo film - or even anything to really do in the ensemble films.
edited 21st Oct '16 2:00:22 AM by RBluefish
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."![]()
And that is one of the multiple reasons why I dislike the X-men movies, for a movie series about the how hurtful prejudices are it hasn't much to offer in terms of diversity.
I can actually see Shang Chi turning up in a future Netflix season, and if the character tests well with audience, well, we'll see.
Which reminds me, someone somewhere brought up the idea to put Moon Knight into a future Jessica Jones season, kind of as introduction to the character....while I am fearful that Jessica would end side-lined as a result, the idea itself is kind of fascinating...can you imagine how Jessica would react to him?
edited 21st Oct '16 2:04:52 AM by Swanpride
Storm got screwed really bad by the plot of X-Men Apocalypse, but then again a lot of characters did. And as far as X-Men solo spinoffs go Storm is no Wolverine but she's got more material under her belt than Gambit even if he's huge with the ladies.
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I mean, I've seen people say that Steve Rogers should've been made a black guy instead of adapting Isaiah Bradley's story, but the latter is a lot more productive. No way in blue hell you could do the former and keep the story and character relationships exactly the same without committing a rather extreme case of Politically Correct History.
edited 21st Oct '16 2:07:17 AM by AlleyOop
That's something of an extreme example, because Steve being made black really would be a significant change to the source material.
Which isn't the case most of the time. You could make Carol black without changing a thing.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."Turning Steve black would be an insult if you are aware of the greater context. The Jewish writer deliberately created Steve in a way that he looked like the "Arian Ideal", removing that would ignoring an important part of the history of the character by erasing the Jewish perspective. You can have a black Captain America if you are really into legacy characters, but you can't have a black Steve Rogers.
Plus, the perfect "new" Captain America would be a mix of all races present in the country anyway.
Uproxx has some early screening reactions
to Stephen Strange. Trippiness is emphasized. Also, after our discussion about which solo movie franchise might take the place of a departing one, a surprising answer: apparently Strange will be our new Tony Stark, at least according to some viewers.
In the case of Carol Danvers, doesn't it make more sense to feature Monica Rambeau, instead? Because as I understand it, she was Captain Marvel first, anyway. It's interesting that comic book fans will complain up and down if you suggest racebending a character, because it's "not canon," but that situation, and the Ancient one, and heck, giving a Kitty Pride story to Wolverine are totally fine, apparently.
Of course, Marvel couldn't even be bothered to cast an actress who is actually old enough to be a US Army officer. Because to Hollywood there's only about 10 women over forty that actually exist.
I mean, I'm still going to see the hell out of Captain Marvel, but I'd be lying if I said this stuff didn't bother me at least a little bit.
edited 21st Oct '16 6:34:52 AM by Pseudopartition
From what I've gathered Monica Rambeau is a bit of a weird case in terms of a Legacy character since she didn't really have any connection to the greater "Captain Marvel story" until well after she was an established superhero. She got her superpowers in a manner unrelated to any of the other Captain Marvels and she got the alias attributed to her by the media instead of anything at all to do with the other Captain Marvels.
And while this is conjecture, I wouldn't be surprised if the literally the only reason she was called "Captain Marvel" at all was because Marvel needed to keep publishing a Captain Marvel comic to maintain the copyright and the last one got canceled while they were developing the Monica Rambeau character.
None of this means they can't use Monica Rambeau in the MCU of course and I do think they should, just that they will probably use her current alias of "Spectrum" if they do.
edited 21st Oct '16 6:54:34 AM by Falrinn
edited 21st Oct '16 7:19:41 AM by alliterator
Every Captain Marvel character marvel has ever put out has been about maintaining a claim to the name.
Anyway, to respond to something higher up: Princess Daisy lives in a combination Egypt/Easter Island/Bermuda/China kingdom. It's weirder that she's white.
edited 21st Oct '16 7:41:51 AM by Bocaj
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Ronan was one of the most threatening villains in the MCU...honestly, the guy bathes literally in the blood of his enemies, who cares if he got distracted for a moment by some crazy guy wanting a dance-off? Any other villain would have monologued himself into disadvantage, at least he got distracted by something unusual.
I don't like the idea with the experiment at all. In fact, I would prefer it if the way she gets her powers is fairly simple and the movie focusses more on the question how to deal with it. I mean, so far we only had heroes who either want to be heroes or get forced into this live by circumstances. But what do you do if you are having a life and a career and then suddenly, you have all those powers. Would you try to hide it or would you embrace them?