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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I never thought of it before, but yeah, Strange's influence in Batman Begins is totally noticeable.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Reminds me, I am really bad about launching tropes, but I had proposed this one called Trainined In The East (wonder if anyone else launched it) and it is striking that Batman Begins uses this fairly retro trope, which is obviously a big part of Strange's backstory.
Actually, both films use of it reminds me of the underrated The Shadow from the 90's. I've thought of that whenever discussions of the Mandarin come up because the villain there is basically what I'd imagine a straight/"good" Mandarin being like, and he's a very straight Yellow Peril villain.
I think Goyer actually wrote no less than two Doctor Strange scripts before he did Batman Begins with Nolan. They basically took the "he trained at one point how to fight" part of Batman's origin and mixed it with Doctor Strange elements. So even if Marvel had hired the best script writers available, there will be some people who will keep complaining that the movie lifted from Nolan's work when it is actually the other way around.
And I guess we can trust that there will be a villain Doctor Strange will have to defeat in the end in a big battle.
edited 20th Oct '16 12:59:38 PM by Swanpride
Even after grounding it, Bruce's training still feels very Strangey. It's just that instead of magic, they use hallucinogenic drugs to distort reality around Bruce.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.You'd have to ask David Goyer, since he penned the script.
Seriously, though— in most Batman adaptations, Batman went to many cities, was taught by many masters in all kinds of circumstances. In Batman Begins, that all still might have happened, but the main focus is on Ducard mentoring him at the one monastery. It's not hard to see the parallels between Ducard and Mordo, the League of Shadows' training grounds and Kamar-Taj.
Now obviously Christopher Nolan went in a much different direction visually and Batman and Doctor Strange are still completely different characters, but that similarity now exists (in the movies, at least) in a way it might not have if Goyer's script hadn't started as a Doctor Strange story.
edited 20th Oct '16 1:58:14 PM by Unsung
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It is, but it's international. In Batman The Animated Series they make a point of showing that in his years of training, he traveled all over the world and learned various different aspects that'd he incorporate into his career from a bunch of different people.
Batman Begins omits or condenses all of that in favor of just having him learn everything from a mysterious mentor at a monastery in a mountainous region of Asia, which is much closer to Strange's origin.
In what film though?
It's unlikely for her to be in any of the Spider-Man films (it would be pretty dire if they're getting the military involved), and Black Panther already has enough characters to deal with that at most she'll cameo as part of Ross's entourage, and Thor Ragnarok and GOTG 2 wrapped up before she was cast IIRC.
She might appear in Ant-Man and the Wasp, though I don't really know enough to find a way to work her into the story like they did for T'Challa, unless they make her Hope's friend or something.
Or you're referring to Infinity War.
edited 20th Oct '16 2:00:48 PM by AlleyOop
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Something that should be considered is that by the time Infinity War actually releases, they'll already be 99% invested to making Captain Marvel if the filming hasn't started at that point.
So while testing the waters on the character was certainly in the "pro" column when they made the choice to put Carol Danvers into Infinity War, I think the main reason is that they had a place for the character and didn't want to wait around for her actual movie. Her backstory is very cameo friendly anyways, since she can just show up whenever the USAF has a reason to show up.
As for what she does in Infinity War, I think the best role would be for her to just be a random USAF pilot that's only involved in the story because the US military shows up in force. She distinguishes herself in the battle, which puts her on the radar of some powerful people who give her a special assignment at the end of the movie. In her solo movie this special assignment sets off the chain of events that result in her gaining superpowers.
edited 20th Oct '16 2:08:53 PM by Falrinn
I'm thinking her origin movie could be one of those alien abduction mystery tales, just with more action than usual. The Kree abduct her (or capture her for entering their territory in a spacecraft) and experiment on her with all sorts of bizarre tech, kind of like this
◊. The head Kree scientist in charge of making her a guinea pig goes by the name of Mar-Vell who harbors ethical reservations about doing this to her.
edited 20th Oct '16 2:59:25 PM by nervmeister
The Avengers cartoon basically did that. Carol Danvers was the military officer at the scene when a Kree robot ran amok, and her co-worker turned out to be Captain Mar-Vell of the Kree Empire. She got hit with the "get-superpowers" beam, and Mar-Vell left Earth to plead our case to his homeworld.
Then, after Carol began calling herself Captain Marvel in honor of her friend, it turned out that by "pleading our case" Mar-Vell meant "Negotiate Earth's surrender, before the Kree space fleet pounds it to dust." It got awkward fast after that.
Which would work well for the film. We don't need to meet Carol beforehand, but we have met the Kree Empire. There's a nice bit of dramatic irony right there, if Mar-Vell presents himself and the Kree as the benevolent kind of aliens.
edited 20th Oct '16 4:35:02 PM by JBC31187
The benevolence of the Kree... That should be fun, based on what we've seen of the Kree so far.
Carol should be one of the people who got sent to Tahiti like Coulson, except that'll never happen.

Wait, GOYER is writing Doctor Strange?
Damn this is going to be generic. Goyer and his style is waaay too omnipresent when it comes to super films.