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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Peter should save himself for twenty years later when Marvel gets the X-Men rights back and he meets Kitty Pryde.
Forever liveblogging the Avengers![]()
But seriously, is reinventing Adam Warlock to be a bigoted Jerk with a Heart of Gold in order to keep his personality from being a carbon copy of Vision's a good idea?
Deepening the Irony even further, his Evil Twin, Magus, could be a Bitch in Sheep's Clothing.
edited 20th Oct '16 8:08:00 AM by nervmeister
No, it wasn't. It explained nothing about where the Black Panther's abilities come from. Just that Wakanda is a thing and its new king likes cats.
But the thing of BP is that he doesn't need an origin, because he didn't get his powers in a freak accident or spend years mastering an obscure art in a hidden monastery or something. They're just part of his heritage. You can work that into a movie without it being an origin movie.
edited 20th Oct '16 10:48:50 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Black Panther Origins: T'Challa's Birthday
"Hey T'Challa, you're of age. Here's a sweet outfit and the heart-shaped herb."
"..."
"And a cake"
"Yay!"
That was pretty much exactly what Feige said so yes, for all intents and purposes, Civil War got that out of the way. They still have to do his villains and supporting cast but he's already going into it as an established character.
Perfect.
edited 20th Oct '16 10:56:10 AM by comicwriter
They mentioned that they'll go into the history of the Black Panther a bit. It did sound like we might even see earlier panthers (flashback to T'Chaka's active warrior/protector years perhaps?).
We also don't really know how his powers actually work yet. We got a hint that his ring can do funky stuff with metal, but that's it.
It's likely to be more of an origin story for Wakanda itself than for T'Challa. We already know his general background as a prince and he's already become the hero. No flashback to Afghanistan or the Super Serum or anything, but we will probably get a glimpse of his childhood interspersed throughout scenes of the various conflicts within Wakanda such as the Jabari purges and the civil warring that brought back the Dora Milaje. As well as the current-day struggles of being a king, struggles that Thor still has yet to deal with.
Carol absolutely needs an origin. Her powers and origin are nowhere near as well-known as the Hulk's or as easily simplified as T'Challa's. Especially since we're skipping over the character she's a Legacy of and will thus need a new explanation for her powerset.
Sure, maybe there could be twenty seconds of flashbacks with her interacting with a blue alien man and then he dies and BAM there's powers, but I don't think that will explain much to anybody's benefit.
Characters like Batman or Spider-Man could potentially get away with twenty seconds of seeing loved ones get shot because everyone's heard that story a million times anyway. This is Carol's live-action debut. There's some shit that needs to be told.
edited 20th Oct '16 12:24:15 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.You kinda have to do an origin for Captain Marvel because if not and you just pull a Remember the New Guy?, it'd look even more jarring than the whole "Magic just suddenly exists now." At least with that they're clearly going with the idea that the Ancient One and her followers kept themselves hidden and don't interfere with Avengers stuff.
That's way harder with Captain Marvel.
edited 20th Oct '16 12:28:44 PM by comicwriter
I think Carol presents some real problems in terms of being an obvious Remember the New Guy?, not in terms of powers, but because you'd kind of expect her to have previously appeared as like a military friend of colleague of Sam or Rhodey or a SHIELD agent. Since she didn't, it's kind of awkward to later on retroactively insert her into one of those roles.
edited 20th Oct '16 12:28:06 PM by Hodor2
I actually don't think that doing an origin story is in itself problematic. You more run into problems when it comes to the expectation of the audience, which kind of want to see some kind of fight in the end but is also tired of seeing the same kind of fight. Mixing that up is the real problem here, though Doctor Strange naturally has a lot of possibilities there. What is actually the problem with Doctor Strange specifically is that Goyer basically lifted his origin story for Batman Returns, so no matter what it will look like something we have seen before.
And Captain Marvel simply deserves to turn up first in her own movie instead having her first appearance be a sideshow to a bunch of male characters.
edited 20th Oct '16 12:30:14 PM by Swanpride
Yeah, Captain Marvel can and should be an origin story. I'm not a fan of spending lots of time retelling origin stories, but this isn't one we've seen on the big screen yet, unlike most of the Justice League. I'd say Captain Marvel could be like Iron Man, where her origin is maybe the first third of the movie or so and then the rest is more of a Year One adventure. As opposed to Doctor Strange, where I expect much more time to be devoted to getting him to Kamar-Taj and training him.
Black Panther is the kind of thing where an even shorter origin could work, or maybe intercutting flashbacks. Like the X-Men, the larger premise of the setting is more important than exactly how the hero got their powers or their past life up to that point. You could even rely exclusively on dialogue and context to explain Wakanda's vibranium industry, her politics, and the ritual of the heart-shaped herb all in the present day, without a single flashback.
edited 20th Oct '16 1:24:08 PM by Unsung

That's pretty much my reasoning for not liking the ship. It's a little tiring when it feels like every female character ends up being a love interest. (Plus, I didn't see any chemistry.)
Could also be because I'm just tired of romance in general, though.
When we're done, there won't be anything left.