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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#63776: Oct 18th 2016 at 12:45:02 AM

[up]Suuuuuuuure, let said is for that

And honestly, I kinda like there is not mutan so far in MCU, the inhuman already fill that nitche waaaaaay better and while Ward was awfull as villian, him as Hive was way better than Apocalipse, I just hope they integrate the inhuman soon to movies, otherwise it look more jarring compared to Agent of Shield

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63777: Oct 18th 2016 at 12:58:03 AM

I agree. Even if Marvel gets the X-men rights back, I wouldn't want them to be even near the MCU, I would want them in their own parallel universe. The Inhumans work way better and Agents of Shield has to far done a pretty good job with them...I just hope that Mantifold becomes more than just an eastern egg.

I really hope that Marvel TV will use some of the Agents of Shield Alumni in some of the other shows they release on TV. They have introduced so many great characters, and Agents of Shield is on its own already just being able to juggle the main cast.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#63778: Oct 18th 2016 at 1:54:29 AM

Ok, so people want to talk about something, I have this what if for you:

What if zemo actually release the Winter soldiers? let said he know Cap and Tony are close and he cant show the video yet so he release the soldier and flees, leaving the winter soldier against Tony,Cap and Bucky(and maybe T`challa)

how that would go?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63779: Oct 18th 2016 at 2:01:13 AM

That honestly depends...would they even still be there when Cap finally turns up? Would Zemo be able to control them?

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#63780: Oct 18th 2016 at 3:30:28 AM

[up] He definitely shouldn't tell them what he really thinks about HYDRA.

I guess the window to catch them would be pretty small, though they'd likely need some time to get to fully functional after being defrosted. Generally I believe these four could take them, though, especially given Tony's suit.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63781: Oct 18th 2016 at 5:34:51 AM

Depends on where the fight happens...if it happens in front of the bunker the four would win due to the virtue of having help from the air. But if they fight in the bunker, Tony is way more vulnerable to attacks. I think than the Winter Soldier's would win, provided that they are able to coordinate their attacks.

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#63782: Oct 18th 2016 at 6:12:55 AM

I can see them being his plan B in the case the other Avengers showed up with Tony. Like, he would order them to mantain the others busy while letting Cap, Bucky and Tony go to the bunker. Or use them to stage an oportunity to use the video at full potential. But he was lucky the oportunity showed con his own.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#63783: Oct 18th 2016 at 6:59:19 AM

[up]Yeah, thanks for the avenger to be so dumb to fight each otherevil grin

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#63784: Oct 18th 2016 at 7:07:34 AM

New Doctor Strange featurette with that Runaways easter egg mentioned recently.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63785: Oct 18th 2016 at 7:10:57 AM

A few years back - I think it was 2010, there were a number of properties thrown around Marvel intended to adapt if they find a good angle. Doctor Strange and Luke Cage were among them, but also Ka-Zar (so I guess Marvel does thing about the Savage lands), Power Pack (which is actually a quite interesting property for a TV show with a really stupid 80s name) and Dazzler (the last one was a bit of a surprise because I though she was with the X-men, but then, she started out as an isolated title, she just turns up in X-men stories very often).

Sorry for keeping on harping on this, but I am kind of curious how far out Marvel will eventually go to keep the MCU going.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63787: Oct 18th 2016 at 7:15:19 AM

I wonder what Edna Mode would have to say about sentinent capes

Also, damnit, it's less than two weeks, I actually don't want to spoil myself but it is sometimes really difficult to resist all the promo material.

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#63788: Oct 18th 2016 at 7:16:59 AM

Zemo probably wouldn't be able to control the other Winter Soldiers. The one time we see them active, they go berserk and start attacking their handlers. They're unstable.

And we've got no real reason to think that's changed because if they'd ever been converted into reliable WMDs, Hydra would have been throwing more than just Bucky at Cap in Winter Soldier. The others are a failed experiment; setting them free would be a tragic mistake.

edited 18th Oct '16 7:17:11 AM by TobiasDrake

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#63789: Oct 18th 2016 at 7:25:54 AM

[up][up][up][up]Holy shit, do you actually think that the Power Pack originate from an 80s tv show?

edited 18th Oct '16 7:26:18 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#63790: Oct 18th 2016 at 7:30:57 AM

After seeing CW again, and seeing both agent 13 and Nat figthing toghether Bucky, I don't know why, but I so want to see those two toghether in a future Black Widow movie.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#63791: Oct 18th 2016 at 7:33:37 AM

[up][up][up]He dosent need to control it, just activied and them flee, even them the question is: can Cap,Bucky and Tony take the winter soldiers?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#63792: Oct 18th 2016 at 7:41:47 AM

[up][up][up] He said the name is very eighties, and that it would make a good tv show. Two different thoughts.

Anyway, I like the idea of a Power Pack plot in some way. Now that we've had a world of superheroes somewhat set up, the concept of a series or movie deconstructing it by showing what kids would go through growing up in it would be very interesting.

edited 18th Oct '16 7:42:18 AM by KnownUnknown

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#63793: Oct 18th 2016 at 7:57:11 AM

[up] The Power Pack was criticized for not sure about its demographic: It's a reasonably dark deconstruction of young superhero... starring a bunch of young kids wearing colorful bodysuit. That would never sell with adult or kids unless they age up the kids or tone down the deconstruction. If it is adapted, it will have to be something like a Stranger Thing-esque show, which would clash with the Marvel Netflix shows.

Edit: So, I just find out something interesting: Captain Marvel sequel in Phase 4 will replace the Captain America franchise, Doctor Strange sequel will replace Thor. I still struggle to find a franchise to replace Iron Man in Phase 4. Maybe Black Panther? Spider-Man? Ant-Man?

edited 18th Oct '16 8:01:07 AM by shatterstar

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#63794: Oct 18th 2016 at 8:16:16 AM

[up] Depends how they do Captain Marvel, but if they put more emphasis on her being a cosmic hero, I can actually see Black Panther being more of a replacement for Captain America (as it has been described as darker and gritty, while the Captain America sequels are the most down to earth of the movies so far). For Iron Man, you would probably have Spider-Man, but Ant-Man is sort of its own thing, and so is Captain Marvel, most likely.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63795: Oct 18th 2016 at 8:16:46 AM

As Known Unknows said. Though, thinking about it, the name actually sounds more 1990s, that was the decade in which everything was either power-something or X-treme. In any case, it sounds a little bit silly nowadays, doesn't it? But the premise really sounds interesting. Just because the comic had issues with the target audience it doesn't mean that they can't figure this one out in an adaptation.

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#63796: Oct 18th 2016 at 8:19:30 AM

Oh. I thought they were referring to the 1991 Power Pack pilot as their only frame of reference for its existence. Either way, I do think a Lighter and Softer Power Pack Netflix show could totally work, to contrast the Darker and Edgier Netflix shows we already have. A tv show budget wouldn't be a problem: I can't imagine anything they do would be harder to pull off technically than the kind of shit the CW shows get away with.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#63797: Oct 18th 2016 at 8:31:20 AM

Antman is relative "New" to the avenger so he can still get along for a while, but so far I will said Black panther is the new Cap, Spidy is the new Tony

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#63798: Oct 18th 2016 at 10:26:21 AM

Not surprising but the Guardians 2 trailer has been classified by the mpaa and it looks like we're getting it soon.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#63799: Oct 18th 2016 at 10:35:14 AM

See, I would have thought that Black Panther replaced Captain America (with that series' focus on politics, government, and the course of a nation), Doctor Strange replaced Iron Man (being about a man of reason going against those who would use the same knowledge he has for evil), and Captain Marvel would replace Thor (as a bridge between our little blue world and the larger scope of the universe, a vast cosmos rife with alien civilizations). Spider-Man being Iron Man's chosen successor does make a lot of sense, though— that's been the case in comics for a while, we've seen it start to happen in Civil War and we know RDJ has a cameo in Homecoming. And then there's Doctor Strange's magic as a contrast to Thor's sufficiently advanced technology.

Either way, really. There's a lot more franchises now, though. They can't all be the replacement for something else.

edited 18th Oct '16 1:45:15 PM by Unsung

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#63800: Oct 18th 2016 at 10:36:24 AM

[up][up]Attached to Dr. Strange, maybe?

edited 18th Oct '16 10:36:34 AM by higherbrainpattern


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