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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#63576: Oct 12th 2016 at 12:49:55 PM

Feige talking about Captain Marvel.

"What is one of the coolest things about it is she will be by far the most powerful character we've ever introduced in the movie. 'How do you find those limitations? How do you find those vulnerabilities?' is something that is sort of at the crux of the story that we're putting together. She has — as you know from the comics — an interesting story, and I think we have a very cool and unique way of telling that story. I don't think it's leaked yet exactly what we're doing with her movie or how we're doing it, but it will be cool. She will prove to be a very important character in our universe for all the movies."

RulerOfImagineverse Since: Sep, 2016
#63577: Oct 12th 2016 at 1:39:15 PM

She would have the most convoluted origin for a human base character to pull from so far. I imagine it would be difficult. On the other hand, her power set allows us the first time to watch someone fight like a Sayian. And powers aren't waisted in these films either. They get used creatively than resorting to the equivalent of the guns blazing tacit. Now imagine her combining those moves with someone like Thor or Dr. Strange. Holy carp Overwatch combo on steroids.

edited 12th Oct '16 1:43:29 PM by RulerOfImagineverse

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#63578: Oct 12th 2016 at 1:58:50 PM

Indeed, which is why I liked that Feige acknowledged it somewhat here:

One of the things that's interesting is there's been a lot of versions of Captain Marvel, there's been a lot of stories of Captain Marvel, and we are now sharing all the source material with the writers who are working on it now, with the filmmakers who we're meeting with and have been for months. Whether they know a lot about the comics or, more likely, the filmmakers we work with don't have to be huge fans, they just have to fall in love with it once they are presented with it.

She doesn't have the most amazing track record over the course of her long history as far as superheroes go. She's only really gained prominence in the last five or so years, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who found KSD's run with her to be on the middling side. As long as they steer away from really awful stuff like the Immortus storyline they don't have to worry about Canon Defilement as they would with a more storied figure like Captain America, and if anything this is an opportunity to really define the character in a way I personally feel the comics failed to.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63579: Oct 12th 2016 at 2:01:16 PM

I think nobody wants to see that storyline dragged up ever again...the great thing is that with her in the game, there is at least one character who should be able to match Thanos head-on while still keeping her wits doing it...

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#63580: Oct 12th 2016 at 2:12:19 PM

I think the key with Captian Marvel's power level in the MCU would be to put a diminishing returns component to her energy absorption, but no definable upper limit. So she can very easily reach somewhere around Thor's power level just from ambient or otherwise mundane sources of power, but it takes something on the level of the infinity stones to go far beyond that.

That way in 90% of of the time she's around Thor-ish levels of power and doesn't render the rest of the Avengers redundant, while simultaneously being able to take on Thanos one-on-one under the right circumstances.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#63581: Oct 12th 2016 at 2:19:23 PM

Peggy Carter Will Return in... Marvel's Avengers Cartoon

I haven't even seen the cartoon. I just felt like saying that.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#63582: Oct 12th 2016 at 2:24:41 PM

That's cool. I guess this is a way for her to stay connected with the character after the show wasn't renewed for a third season and her character's death in the Civil War movie.

RulerOfImagineverse Since: Sep, 2016
#63583: Oct 12th 2016 at 2:39:24 PM

[up] 4 Thanos is a Titan, so Carol's enegery attacks won't work. He can absorb them without his armor still.

Btw off topic. I think my city has sex trafficers. What do I do?

edited 12th Oct '16 2:46:37 PM by RulerOfImagineverse

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63584: Oct 12th 2016 at 3:11:59 PM

[up][up][up] That would have been cruel if I hadn't seen the news already...

I want Agent Carter back. I take everything, even if it is just a TV movie....

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#63585: Oct 12th 2016 at 3:16:02 PM

[up][up]Adaptation may nerf him to an extent. Anyways, I'd rather Adam Warlock be his Arch-Enemy, not Carol. Then again, there's still the Magus and Kismet for him if Marvel's already decided that Carol has dibs on the Mad Titan. Though Vision also stands a good chance at getting matched up against Thanos, since they're thematic foils to one another.

edited 12th Oct '16 3:17:43 PM by nervmeister

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#63586: Oct 12th 2016 at 4:35:47 PM

Thanos is pretty consistently shown to be her superior and I imagine that'll be even moreso with the Infinity Gauntlet. The Avengers usually have to find some sort of strategy other than "Let's punch him as bunch of times" to defeat Thanos.

RulerOfImagineverse Since: Sep, 2016
#63587: Oct 12th 2016 at 4:47:58 PM

Titanian Eternals' biology grants then manipulation over cosmic energies. Thanos is the ultimate Titanian and as seen in the GOG prelude he favours augmenting the body to become stronger. Although there is no word if Thanos is an Eternal, sucking in energy is a key form of defense he naturally was born with. Carol shoots energy. Thanos eats it even if he wasn't born to (agumatations). Carol, Thor, and Iron Man would need to rethink twice. Vision has an IS so he may do some crazier shit. Yeah Thanos has to be nerfed (he can even compete with Strange's magical skills)

edited 12th Oct '16 5:05:36 PM by RulerOfImagineverse

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Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#63588: Oct 12th 2016 at 5:23:59 PM

Btw off topic. I think my city has sex trafficers. What do I do?

Yeah, that's probably something you should ask in OTC.

Oh God! Natural light!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63590: Oct 13th 2016 at 8:38:49 AM

Let's put it this way: If Marvel is smart, they will play the long game, meaning that they will hold onto their current generation of Avengers as long as possible, but also allowing them to phase out when they "age out" of the Franchise which, after all, doesn't have a sliding timeline like the comics do. And then they will introduce a number of younger characters to take over....Cassie Lang, Amadeus Cho, Kamala Khan aso are all possible options down the line. It they will call them "young Avengers" or "The Champions" or whatever we will have to wait and see. But it is certainly smart to have a "fresh name" so to speak as possible option.

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#63591: Oct 13th 2016 at 8:45:38 AM

The Champions have literally only had a single issue so far and it was obnoxious as hell, so calling it the "new flagship series" as that article does is rather premature.

It's basically Young Avengers if half their screentime was devoted to whining about how the Avengers are shitty heroes who cause too much collateral damage and never stick around to clean up afterwards. And then recruiting the f*cking Hulk, destroying a mine, and avoiding hypocrisy through the magic of cutting to the next scene before anyone can question it.

edited 13th Oct '16 8:47:38 AM by TobiasDrake

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#63592: Oct 13th 2016 at 8:51:29 AM

That said, I wouldn't mind some sort of Young Avengers-esque movie in a future movie. In part because I want Cassie Lang to grow up to be Stature, and I'd like them to introduce Amadeus Cho, etc. There's a long of new blood capable of entering the universe.

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#63593: Oct 13th 2016 at 8:55:05 AM

That I do agree with. Cho excepted, because I hate him.

The Young Avengers, Ms. Marvel, Sam Alexander, Miles Morales, MAC, Kid Loki, Avengers Academy, etc. There's a lot of fresh, new blood characters that would be great to see show up in future MCU titles.

Bonus points if MAC shows up and she's not "the MCU adaptation of MAC". She's just MAC, because there's only one MAC.

edited 13th Oct '16 8:55:45 AM by TobiasDrake

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#63594: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:31:24 AM

[up][up]Yes I can't wait to eventually see what they do with Cho as well.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#63595: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:34:27 AM

I too want Cassie Lang to grow up and do things.

Maybe when her dad is too old to Ant-Man anymore.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#63596: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:37:59 AM

Ant-Man 3: Chronic Back Pain

Also it looks like Infinity War is now starting in January rather than November, assuming the November shoot isn't just second unit stuff. Scheduling on this movie for the actors is probably gonna be a nightmare.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#63597: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:56:04 AM

I think the key with Captian Marvel's power level in the MCU would be to put a diminishing returns component to her energy absorption, but no definable upper limit. So she can very easily reach somewhere around Thor's power level just from ambient or otherwise mundane sources of power, but it takes something on the level of the infinity stones to go far beyond that. That way in 90% of of the time she's around Thor-ish levels of power and doesn't render the rest of the Avengers redundant, while simultaneously being able to take on Thanos one-on-one under the right circumstances.

Alternatively you give her problems she can't solve by punching. That's usually what the most interesting action scenes with characters like Superman or Thor have.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#63598: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:25:33 AM

[up][up][up]

Paul Rudd is an immortal Hamon master so that's unlikely.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#63599: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:31:08 AM

[up][up][up] Especially for everyone who is in Black Panther, A&W, CM and Infinity Wars/Whatever No 4 is Called - Feige already hinted that they'll have to jump back and forth between sets.

edited 13th Oct '16 10:31:35 AM by hollygoolightly

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#63600: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:46:35 AM

When you said A&W I thought you meant the cream soda for a second.

Yeah. I suspect a lot of scenes are gonna involve stand-ins with the other actors CG'ed in later.


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