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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
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Stopping a car is not the same thing as throwing one. No matter how you call it, Cap in the MCU is able to throw a motorbike in one smooth movement and stop a helicopter from taking off. What he did so far lead me to believe that he is stronger than Luke Cage and that his healing factor is faster, too, in that Luke is hard to hurt in the first place, but need a little bit longer to recover if he ends up injured after all, while Steve is more vulnerable especially without his shield, but he would most likely shake off a concussion in seconds.
I heard somewhere that Chris Evans actually hurt his muscles in the Helicoper scene because the crane was positioned a little bit too far away, so he ended up actually straining against the Helicopter for real instead of just pretending to.
edited 9th Oct '16 2:15:25 PM by Swanpride
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All I know is that in the comics, Luke is perfectly capable of throwing a car and Cap couldn't stop so much as a Buick if he tried. And so far, I haven't seen anything that contradicts that. No offense, but I don't recall him throwing a motorcycle or stopping a helicopter with his bare hands anywhere, so for me, he's still a Bad Ass Normal.
edited 9th Oct '16 2:17:27 PM by kkhohoho
Throwing a motorcycle: First scene in Age of Ultron. Stopping a Helicopter: Civil War.
This might not be the case in the comics, but we are discussing the MCU here....and unlike most of the other heroes, Cap got an upgrade there. The MCU usually tends to downplay the strength of its characters so that they are still vulnerable enough to make the fight scenes compelling, but Cap got a small boost so that he can believably hold up to the really big threats.
There is a lot of stuff in the comics which isn't part of the MCU and the other way around, so using the Comics as a baseline is pretty much pointless.
edited 9th Oct '16 2:23:04 PM by Swanpride
Cap's peak human condition applies to his brain and nerves as well as his muscles and bones. I don't mean that the serum made him a genius, but rather that he has heightened perception, reflexes, tolerance for pain, autonomic response, etc, etc. Keeping that helicopter from lifting off was probably the absolute limit of his strength, and you could see it in his face, but that doesn't make him less super overall— no Crippling Overspecialization for Cap, he's enhanced across the board. We'd have to see them side by side to be sure, but I suspect the Luke or Jessica wouldn't be straining in the same way. Luke because in addition to probably being at least as strong as Cap if not stronger, doesn't have to worry about pain or overextending himself in the same way, as mentioned earlier; Jessica because she's just that strong.
I feel like flipping that bike had more to do with controlling its momentum than just straight up lifting it. It still requires a fuckton of strength, but I saw it as more of a combination of strength, agility, and coordination more than just 'pick up a motorcycle and toss it'.
edited 9th Oct '16 6:03:06 PM by Unsung
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The Capitan is almost as strong as Spiderman, he is a super-human.
Wilson fisk, Batroc and Black Widow are peak humans.
It bears keeping in mind that, in superhero comics, there's usually a fair amount of Charles Atlas Superpower going around. Even if someone explicitely does not have superpowers and has merely trained their body within human limits, they'll likely still be able to perform feats of strength far beyond anything a real life human being could ever accomplish.
Kingpin is just supposed to be an ordinary human being who's unusually tough, but in the comics he's been known to physically overpower Spider-Man.
MCU Spider-Man is wayyy stronger than Cap. He held up that collapsing...thing, I forget if it was the building or the plane. Either way, really.
Agent May's more an example of what skill and training can do. She's not the strongest human alive, or the fastest, but she's intimately familiar with combat itself, and turns that to her advantage. Widow too, is an example of something similar (her and Clint), although her training and conditioning were more...unusual. Fisk is abnormally strong and tough, and like Matt, he's a Determinator, fuelled by rage to push his body past normal limits. None of them are quite on the level of Captain America, though, because he's peak pretty much across the board, while they only achieve peaks in certain key areas. Widow's probably the closest thing to a match for him, and only if she can use her skillset and gadgetry. That's not to look down on her or dismiss her— the whole point of the Avengers is that just bashing things over the head isn't all you need.
edited 9th Oct '16 5:35:58 PM by Unsung
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Maybe the Super-Soldier formula constantly puts him in that state, and lets him maintain it where others wouldn't be able to.
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I can buy that. I wouldn't say he's an out-and-out bruiser, but yeah, he's got something that makes him more than just 'peak human' here. On a scale from 1-10 ,(with 3 being a Bad Ass Normal,) I'd say that MCU!Cap's a solid 4. He's got some strength, but everyone else makes him look like a lightweight by comparison. Which isn't a problem, because even with that extra strength, Cap still relies more on his skill and training, which makes even the Bad Ass Normal version from the comics a force to be reckoned with.

edited 9th Oct '16 2:12:26 PM by RBluefish
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