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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#63426: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:35:45 AM

Nobu definitely needed a backstory flashback, considering how literally every single other main villain got one. Kingpin, Purple Man, Cottonmouth, and Diamondback all got one, and Nobu doesn't.

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#63427: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:36:17 AM

It sort of says something that we've gotten insight into all the netflix big villains except Nobu.

Fisk? Got flashbacks and characterization.

Kilgrave? Flashbacks and characterization.

Cornell and Stryker? Flashbacks and characterization.

It seems like they were so busy backdoor piloting Punisher with flashbacks and characterization that they forgot that Nobu was the ostensible villain of DD s2. Either that or they didn't think the leader of an evil ninja cult needed to be anything more than yellow peril.

edited 9th Oct '16 10:37:01 AM by Bocaj

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#63428: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:38:09 AM

I saw some people on the MCU subreddit saying that Gao appeared at about the 1:00 mark of the Iron Fist trailer.

Additionally, one of the other previews they showed at the convention had somebody mention the Crane Mother, which a lot of people think will be Gao.

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#63429: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:38:29 AM

My guess is that they're trying to keep the Hand mysterious because they're the main antagonists in Defenders. Unfortunately that means Daredevil season 2 was annoyingly vague about them.

edited 9th Oct '16 10:38:40 AM by Kostya

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#63430: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:42:06 AM

I like Madame Gao. She's a stereotype, but she's playing on other people's expectations. That self-awareness makes all the difference.

A flashback could've been awesome, and it's not like the other gang leaders (and Cottonmouth) aren't stereotypes in their own way— they just get to be something more, too. I suspect the back half of Season 2 was rushed out the door. They didn't really know what to do with the Hand, they couldn't afford to hire a bunch of guest stars or film on location in Japan or built a Japanese-looking set. Which, okay, fine, that's reality, but then you probably shouldn't have focused so heavily on the Hand. Give us Elektra as the villain of the season, because she *does* get a flashback

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#63431: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:44:34 AM

[up][up][up] Madame Gao indeed appears in the Iron Fist trailer, after what I assume to be the back of David Wenham, who plays a business partner of Danny's father/parents. and is pretty decidedly a villain. Bad Faramir!

Maybe they changed their plans for the Hand being the Defenders main adversary? Thus Sigourney Weaver.

I love Madame Gao, both the character and the actress, who does a superb job of dressing down a guy who is much younger, roughly twice her size and height and looks like he could break her. But there needs to be a better balance between characters who are clichés and those who aren't. Luke Cage did better with that on the whole - Cottonmouth and Mariah Dillard both have elements that push them beyond just being stereotypes.

edited 9th Oct '16 10:50:19 AM by hollygoolightly

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#63433: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:47:51 AM

I'll take Sigourney Weaver over The Hand any day, because man were they generic and boring in DD S2. Also some people have speculated that she might be playing a gender-swapped version of The Beast, so there's that.

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#63434: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:48:43 AM

The Beast?

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#63435: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:49:46 AM

That's Gao right after the pretty bubbles around the 20-second mark. She's only there for a couple seconds.

[up]The demon that the Hand serves,

edited 9th Oct '16 10:51:44 AM by Unsung

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#63436: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:54:41 AM

The Beast?
The demon that the Hand worships. It apparently gives them their power and the ability to resurrect the dead.

Here's what I want in The Defenders:

  1. Misty, Colleen, Claire, and Trish all being a part of the team.
  2. A hallway fight scene with Luke and Danny being Back-to-Back Badasses.
  3. A Misty and Colleen fight scene.
  4. Jessica mocking Daredevil's costume.

edited 9th Oct '16 10:55:04 AM by alliterator

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#63437: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:55:33 AM

[up]x5 The only thing I would like about his speculated character is the idea of Sigourney Weaver playing a nun. Honestly, though, having a villain that is mainly about Daredevil sounds like a really, really bad idea so I'm hoping it's not that. Wouldn't it make the most sense if she was somehow connected to illegal experimentation? All of the heroes' origin stories seem to go into that direction so far.

edited 9th Oct '16 10:57:32 AM by hollygoolightly

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#63438: Oct 9th 2016 at 10:58:29 AM

Someone once joked they should discuss their origins.

Luke and JJ: Experiment.

DD: Accident.

Danny: I hugged a dragon to death.

(Stunned Silence as everyone figures out if he's serious or not)

edited 9th Oct '16 10:59:03 AM by Gaon

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#63439: Oct 9th 2016 at 11:01:12 AM

Jessica was in a car accident too. This company needs to secure its trucks better, something.

Ruby Thursday, villain for the original Defenders. I like that shapeshifting supercomputer chess-pawn head she's got. She does kind of look like someone Luke Cage would fight, if Diamondhead is any indication.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#63440: Oct 9th 2016 at 11:04:33 AM

Maybe Monica Rappaccini since illegal experimentation seems to be a recurring thing in these shows?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#63441: Oct 9th 2016 at 11:06:42 AM

[up] That could work, too, although she's mostly associated with AIM. And I don't think they will reintroduce AIM in The Defenders. (Although they did reintroduce Hammertech, so anything is possible.)

Hmm. Perhaps IGH = AIM?

edited 9th Oct '16 11:07:45 AM by alliterator

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#63442: Oct 9th 2016 at 11:08:21 AM

AIM already exists from Iron Man 3, it wouldn't really be that weird, considering the tons of Hammer-tech references in Luke Cage.

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#63443: Oct 9th 2016 at 11:09:23 AM

[up][up]Yeah, I was thinking IGH must be tied into something larger. Sigourney Weaver is old enough that if the character wanted to name-drop Hank Pym, that could make sense. Monica Rappaccini is a biochemist, right? It fits. I don't know, I kinda like that idea.

edited 9th Oct '16 11:14:08 AM by Unsung

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#63444: Oct 9th 2016 at 11:20:48 AM

AIM already exists from Iron Man 3, it wouldn't really be that weird, considering the tons of Hammer-tech references in Luke Cage.
Yeah, but the AIM of Iron Man 3 was a think tank/company created by Aldrich Killian. They would have to severely retcon it to make it different from that.

edited 9th Oct '16 11:21:03 AM by alliterator

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#63445: Oct 9th 2016 at 11:27:07 AM

Or someone else just took over after Killian's death.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#63446: Oct 9th 2016 at 11:31:13 AM

GOTG 2 would be a good means to introduce the Makluans which would set up for either a loosely adapted Secret Invasion or Iron Man arc. If you cant have the Mandarin, then at least have the awesome alien dragons behind most of his origin.

edited 9th Oct '16 11:50:08 AM by nervmeister

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63447: Oct 9th 2016 at 11:55:59 AM

I wouldn't even be bothered about the vagueness of Black Sky...in fact, that was kind of the thing they explained the best, with the whole "it doesn't matter if Black Sky is real if those people believe that it is" talk. But would it have killed them to clarify "if you want to kill them, you have to remove their heads"? Or "They can reanimate people exactly once"? Or whatever the rules is. As well as explaining where they are coming from and what the giant hole is about. It looks creepy, but why the hell am I supposed to be afraid of it? Not to mention that it is still sitting there, with or without Elektra, and Matt didn't look like he had any intention to take care of it.

I guess at this point the answer to how Jessica got her powers would be "I don't know". The accident might have caused it (that's what happened in the comics, right?), but it is equally possible that she had the abilities beforehand and the accident just activated it. I read a great theory that Jessica's actual power boils down to "what doesn't kill her makes her stronger"....meaning the accident kind of forced her body into building up defences against future hits, and when Killgrave kept controlling her, at one point her abilities kicked in an built up the ability to fight off mind control. I wouldn't be surprised if it works against all kind of mind control, even the mind stone.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#63448: Oct 9th 2016 at 12:07:58 PM

Jessica has an immune system against THE UNIVERSE!? That is a super cool theory. Perhaps too convoluted I in terms of power creep.

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#63449: Oct 9th 2016 at 12:21:43 PM

Basically, Jessica Jones is a Saiyan.

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#63450: Oct 9th 2016 at 12:30:39 PM

Fan video of the Defenders discussing their powers

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