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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#63376: Oct 8th 2016 at 6:28:52 PM

Sorry if I seem like I'm trying to make people feel guilty for wanting to watch it - it's just that this whole thing has been pretty damn frustrating for me as an Asian-American comics nerd, so I wind up wanting to do some venting now and then.

This whole Iron Fist thing has just been infuriating for me from start to finish. But it'd be pretty hypocritical for me to condemn people for liking something despite its less savory elements, because we all do that. So watch away.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
Philosophy Enthusiast
#63377: Oct 8th 2016 at 6:31:26 PM

Let's speculate who Sigourney Weaver is playing. My current guess: Viper.

Make mine Marvel.
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#63378: Oct 8th 2016 at 6:34:41 PM

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It's cool, man. You have every right to be frustrated.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#63379: Oct 8th 2016 at 6:36:09 PM

How did Fox using Viper in The Wolverine work? They didn't originally have to era to her, so I know they paid extra, but was that renting the rights for one movie, or for a longer time span?

I'm rather tempted by the idea that the Myphisto rumour is true, and so Sigourney would be playing an actual devil.

(Thematically I do believe Myphisto would work, and would be a good presence to shoo out The Hand pretty early on)

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#63380: Oct 8th 2016 at 6:47:49 PM

It's double weird because she does show up in the Super Soldier video game as Madame Hydra/Ophelia Sarkissian.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#63381: Oct 8th 2016 at 7:09:40 PM

Hey does anyone know what's "IGH" stand for?

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#63382: Oct 8th 2016 at 7:12:12 PM

It's a paramilitary group. It was first mentioned in Jessica Jones.

RulerOfImagineverse Since: Sep, 2016
#63383: Oct 8th 2016 at 7:15:03 PM

Since people are talking about the Hand. Danny is a weapon against them that's conffirmed. Not just a weapon but the only weapon strong enough. The IW is basically vowed to stopping them. Hardold knows some of this stuff, including danny being rescued by monks though not the exact location where they took him. K'un Lun is a heavenly city and Danny is one of many of its immortal weapons selected to be it's champion. Claire has been training with Colleen, who is a bloody mess of a fighter. To get back his company he is working with Hogarth. Danny is a graceful kung fur fighter who has powers like minor bullet time

The basic plot is similar to the original comic's origin mixed with the iron fist immortal series mixed with new stuff like exploring deeper into family relationships the Machiame company etc. Tbc

edited 8th Oct '16 8:29:47 PM by RulerOfImagineverse

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#63384: Oct 8th 2016 at 7:17:33 PM

Someone on these forums told me that IGH is probably going to be equivalent to MGH (Mutant Growth Hormone) from the comics, in which case the 'I' could easily stand for 'Inhuman'. Or they might still change it to something else entirely, who knows.

If the Hand were originally planned as the Defenders' main threat, then Daredevil getting an early second season was probably self-sabotaging in a few ways— they couldn't give away too much of what they had planned for Defenders, but the Hand still had to do *something*.

Kinda makes me wish Elektra had just been sent by Fisk and the Hand had been cut out entirely. Punisher, Kingpin, and more screentime/character development for Elekra, that could've worked.

edited 8th Oct '16 7:22:38 PM by Unsung

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#63385: Oct 8th 2016 at 7:18:21 PM

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Oh for fuck's sakes, even I think that's going too far now.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#63386: Oct 8th 2016 at 8:44:26 PM

Oh for fuck's sakes, even I think that's going too far now.
What do you mean? I think they were just describing all the scenes Marvel had shown (five in all). io9 has a better writeup right here and even they are excited about and said that the fight scenes look spectacular — and Colleen Wing definitely stole the entire show.

Honestly, the more elements for Immortal Iron Fist they use, the better. Fraction and Brubaker's run was probably the best Iron Fist run ever and it managed to subvert a lot of the Mighty Whitey elements by including loads of flashbacks to previous Iron Fists and have Danny not just be a lone "chosen one," but a member of a long lineage along with all the rest of the Immortal Weapons.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#63387: Oct 8th 2016 at 8:46:50 PM

I was referring to Danny being made to be a weapon against The Hand, specifically.

The rest of the stuff looks pretty awesome, I'll say. I'm just waiting to see who Sigourney Weaver is gonna be playing in The Defenders. I've heard some people speculate she'll be Mephisto.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#63388: Oct 8th 2016 at 8:48:04 PM

I say that she's going to be Ruby Thursday. And the main villains of The Defenders will be the Headmen.

I'm going to stick by that answer forever.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#63389: Oct 8th 2016 at 8:52:09 PM

Are there 40,000 Headmen?

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#63390: Oct 8th 2016 at 8:53:38 PM

Clearly, Danny's going to be the legendary white chosen one at martial arts, destined to eradicate or convert all Asian people from their evil ways, using their own dark Asian magic against them in a fight for white justice against the Yellow Peril!

Note: I'm not trying to offend anyone, nor make fun of their concerns, just simply looking at the given information from as comically exaggerated pessimism as possible.

edited 8th Oct '16 8:54:07 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#63391: Oct 8th 2016 at 8:54:24 PM

That doesn't prevent it from not being funny.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#63392: Oct 8th 2016 at 9:12:07 PM

Glad to see people are happy about Henwick as Wing in this, because she was awful on Game of Thrones.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#63393: Oct 8th 2016 at 9:18:02 PM

I'm willing to chalk that up to the material she was given, which was pretty awful as well. I mean, there's some writing that no actor can carry off, no matter how skilled. The Star Wars prequels are a prime example.

It's still entirely possible that she really is just a bad actor in addition to having been given bad material, naturally, but until I see some evidence of that I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#63394: Oct 8th 2016 at 9:30:53 PM

[up][up] That was more because of the horrible writing and being set in Porne than because any bad acting on Jessica Henwick's park.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#63395: Oct 8th 2016 at 9:45:26 PM

How did Fox using Viper in The Wolverine work? They didn't originally have to era to her, so I know they paid extra, but was that renting the rights for one movie, or for a longer time span?

Possibly similar to the Maximoff twin kerfluffle. She was created as a villain in Captain America & The Falcon but she had some very notable storylines as an X-Men villain too.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63396: Oct 8th 2016 at 10:21:00 PM

Well, I could have done without the chosen one line from the trailer. Not just because of the questionable implications there, but I am above all tired of chosen ones plots.

I doubt that they use IGH for the Defenders if for no other reason that they well need something for Jessica Jones season 2 and she has next to no villain Gallery as it is. You don't even need one full hand to count them.

But SW will be great no matter who she plays because SW is great in anything. She is actually kind of too good for TV....but I am glad we get her.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#63397: Oct 9th 2016 at 12:58:47 AM

Something I'm wondering is: what threat is big enough that it needs these four characters to all team up to fight it, but small enough that it doesn't merit attention from an Avenger or two?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#63398: Oct 9th 2016 at 12:59:52 AM

With the recurring idea of people trying to harness, bottle and sell superpowers (or weapons that can harm those with superpowers) in Luke Cage and Jessica Jones, it might be interesting if the villainous organization pulling the strings was The Maggia (modeled in particular after Count Nefaria's Maggia), having evolved over the years since Peggy's day. The downside is that the perfect character for Sigourney in that case would be Whitney Frost, who Agent Carter has already used.

Or an actual version of AIM. in which case she could be playing Monica Rappaccini.

Or... wait... even better. Who has the rights to Lucia Von Bardas?

Of those, I'd say Maggia and a de-Latverianized Bardas might be likely to one or more Defenders members having history with them (or having supporting cast / villains associated with them).

edited 9th Oct '16 1:01:10 AM by KnownUnknown

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63399: Oct 9th 2016 at 1:06:53 AM

[up][up] Shouldn't be too difficult...I wouldn't be surprised if the Defenders ends up being set either during or shortly after Civil War. Let's just say all the Avengers are busy elsewhere.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#63400: Oct 9th 2016 at 1:48:26 AM

Sigourney Weaver!!!

I'm someone who endlessly makes fun of the Sand Snake Spice Girls - was GOT ever lazier in writing any characters? Even unnamed wildling extras may have more depths - but I'm definitely giving Jessica Henwick the benefit of the doubt. I think you can't really measure any acting talent with that material.


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