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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#63326: Oct 8th 2016 at 5:01:51 AM

I remember Feige saying way back that the movie would be a geopolitical thriller, and Boseman said it would be grittier (I guess than the general MCU tone?). I wouldn't be too surprised if the plot is some adaptation of elements of Priest's run. Remains to be seen where the humour comes in (my main guess would actually be Martin Freeman, though Daniel Kaluuya does comic relief rather well).

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#63327: Oct 8th 2016 at 7:12:42 AM

I'm interested in the fact that they've confirmed Florence Kasumba is playing Ayo, since she is a relatively new character (her first named appearance was in the first issue of the most recent Black Panther run by Ta-Nahesi Coates) and she's also most commonly associated with fellow Dora Milage Aneka, since they are in love. I wonder if the movie will explore that

If I had to guess? Given that the character didn't even exist when Civil War was being filmed, chances are that they just relatively recently decided to bring back Kasumba after all the attention her One-Scene Wonder part got, and went with Ayo because there aren't a lot of named Doras after Nakia and Okoye.

edited 8th Oct '16 7:13:04 AM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63329: Oct 8th 2016 at 7:30:06 AM

[up] Nothing in this says that he was talking about Homecoming.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#63330: Oct 8th 2016 at 7:44:58 AM

Homecoming is the only Spider-Man movie that was made after her retired, so unless he has a time machine, it'd have to be Homecoming.

edited 8th Oct '16 7:49:36 AM by comicwriter

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#63331: Oct 8th 2016 at 8:11:19 AM

So now we know who one of the villains of Iron Fist will be. Lewis Tan will be playing Zhou Cheng, a servant of Ch'i-Lin, who is tasked with killing "every iteration of the Iron Fist." This actually gives me some hope: Zhou Cheng is from the Immortal Iron Fist run and comes after the amazing "Seven Heavenly Cities" arc — and could well facilitate flashbacks to various other Iron Fists before Danny.

What's interesting, however, is that Lewis Tan also audited for Danny Rand himself and wanted to be in the lead role. I haven't seen anything he's in, so I don't know if he would have been any good, but I'm glad he was cast as at least the villain (who seems to hate all Iron Fists, not just Danny).

It also gives me hope that we might see the rest of the Immortal Weapons. I want to see Fat Cobra and Bride of Nine Spiders, dammit.

edited 8th Oct '16 8:12:12 AM by alliterator

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#63332: Oct 8th 2016 at 8:37:32 AM

I get the sense Zhou will serve a similar function to Nobu in Daredevil's first season and IGH in Jessica Jones: The big, mysterious villain who teases a larger plot and readies the Sequel Hook whilst Steel Serpent fills in the Wilson Fisk/Kilgrave function of "the master arch enemy".

God willing, the remaining Immortal Weapons will be part of the Sequel Hook.

PS: Luke Cage isn't included in that analogy because I haven't seen it yet.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#63333: Oct 8th 2016 at 9:24:31 AM

God willing, they don't write him badly like they did with Daredevil's second season.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#63334: Oct 8th 2016 at 9:44:44 AM

Well, hopefully, there will a lot more Asian representation, so even if they do right him badly, we will have Colleen Wing and many, many others.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#63335: Oct 8th 2016 at 10:28:44 AM

Depressingly for those who supported the Asian-American Iron Fist movement, Lewis Tan also made a tweet the other day that said that not only did he audition, he almost was cast as Danny.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#63336: Oct 8th 2016 at 10:31:48 AM

See, that actually gives me hope for representation in the MCU — the fact the they didn't just audition all white people and did seriously consider Tan for Danny. I know that's probably the bare minimum if what they should do, but still.

edited 8th Oct '16 10:32:07 AM by alliterator

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#63337: Oct 8th 2016 at 12:09:12 PM

It means they seriously considered nonwhite people for the role, like the leaked casting sheet for the show suggested they did. That's a small improvement from what was going to happen originally, where it was expected they were going to do the same as for Spider-Man where the Sony casting sheet required only white actors to audition.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#63338: Oct 8th 2016 at 12:50:33 PM

I still would have preferred if they didn't consider white people at all.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#63339: Oct 8th 2016 at 1:03:31 PM

Especially when it comes to roles like Iron Fist, where the Mighty Whitey stuff is in dire need of being excised from the character. And while it's potentially heartening to see that they were even considering casting an Asian actor as Captain Asia, it's also important to remember that, at the end of the day, they didn't. When we're getting the MCU's fifty millionth White Male Lead, the fact that they were at some point thinking about making him nonwhite is something of a cold comfort.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63340: Oct 8th 2016 at 1:03:33 PM

I have to admit something: The American Ninja movies are a guilty pleasure of mine. Yes, I know they are stupid. Yes, I know they are not that well made. And yes, I am very well aware of some of the more problematic aspects of them...but damn are they fun to watch (and I am usually not into action movies at all). And seeing Danny Rand on this promo picture with this blond guy jumping through the door, with all the knocked out people behind him, I just became all nostalgic. I immediately wondered if they also attacked him conveniently one by one like they did in those movies....I am now ridiculously excited for this show, simply because the marketing accidentally tapped into that feeling.

edited 8th Oct '16 2:21:59 PM by Swanpride

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#63341: Oct 8th 2016 at 2:13:21 PM

Honestly, I just want to see something really fun, something that doesn't take itself too seriously, something like...Ninja the Mission Force.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#63342: Oct 8th 2016 at 2:16:23 PM

I'm hoping Iron Fist will be a bit lighter-hearted than DD, JJ, or LC. It would make an interesting contrast.

And considering it's a tale about a dude who got chi powers by hugging a dragon, I'd be surprised if it wasn't.

edited 8th Oct '16 2:17:08 PM by Anomalocaris20

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hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#63343: Oct 8th 2016 at 2:19:13 PM

I'm just getting more and more curious how they'll try and combine three rather intense shows like DD, JJ and LC with something like IF, which seems comparatively light on its feet. Defenders has the potential to be either crazily amazing or a horrifying cacophony of misplayed notes.

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edited 8th Oct '16 2:20:15 PM by hollygoolightly

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63344: Oct 8th 2016 at 2:24:36 PM

I think the defenders need at least one member which isn't constantly down ridden one way or another...and can you imagine Jessica reacting to someone who is constantly calm and optimistic?

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#63345: Oct 8th 2016 at 2:28:04 PM

[up] Well, arguably that is more or less Trish's default setting. But I can see her being weirded out at both Danny and Matt (and especially Matt's costume. He'll never hear the end of it.)

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#63346: Oct 8th 2016 at 2:36:41 PM

[up]Your friendly neighbourhood Satan.

Actually, is this going to be before or after Homecoming? Even if it's not, Civil War shows Spidey's been active for, what, months? A year, longer? I wonder if they'll mention him. I know a cameo's pretty much out of the question.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#63347: Oct 8th 2016 at 2:43:39 PM

Every team needs The Heart. Maybe this will be Danny's role. He's the member who keeps everyone else sane and functional.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63348: Oct 8th 2016 at 2:45:37 PM

So far the Netflix shows are set before Civil war, meaning they are also set before Spider-man.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#63349: Oct 8th 2016 at 2:50:35 PM

Civil War specified Spidey's been active for roughly six months, so they can't have heard of him yet. I think?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63350: Oct 8th 2016 at 3:02:07 PM

[up] They could, but I don't think that Spider-man's existence is that widespread at that point.


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