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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#63301: Oct 7th 2016 at 1:04:49 PM

The argument is pretty much semantics in this case because there is really not any noticeable difference in the popularity gap between a C or D or E lister. Once you get past a very select few group of characters known to the public (which admittedly has grown quite a bit thanks to the success of the MCU movies) most Marvel characters are pretty much unknowns.

The only area where obscurity really factors in is if there's enough published material featuring them to give a springboard for a movie, and even then that's assuming the movie is ABOUT them (I don't think anyone here is expecting Silver Claw or Howard the Duck to headline their movies) and not an ensemble film.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#63302: Oct 7th 2016 at 2:09:26 PM

If they went with the full on Inhumans Royal Family, that would make it much, much different from the X-Men.

Which is all the more astounding that they chose to introduce the characters in a manner that guaranteed people would call them out as being Diet X-Men, complete with Daisy's mom being Not!Magneto.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#63303: Oct 7th 2016 at 3:13:33 PM

Except for the fact that Daisy's mom actually did lead a small secret city of Inhumans. Her character's motivations might have been similar to Magneto, but her character was way more similar to the Inhuman Royal Family.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#63306: Oct 7th 2016 at 3:30:11 PM

Whelp, the chances of my dad liking the movie have decreased. I don't know why, but my dad really hates Forrest Whitaker. It's weird.

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ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#63307: Oct 7th 2016 at 3:40:55 PM

Florence Kasumba will reprise her role from Civil War as Ayo and Daniel Kaluuya will play W'Kabi.

http://marvel.com/news/movies/26832/forest_whitaker_joins_marvels_black_panther?linkId=29696956p

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#63308: Oct 7th 2016 at 3:43:38 PM

And they confirmed that M'Baku will be "the leader of a rival tribe." Interesting.

Also, Ayo is one of Marvel's LGBT characters so hopefully that is reflected! They say Whitaker is playing Zuri, which is odd since the character is usually comic relief. I don't know if I've ever seen Whitaker do comedy.

edited 7th Oct '16 3:45:55 PM by comicwriter

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#63309: Oct 7th 2016 at 4:00:05 PM

[up] Maybe they'll turn M'Baku and his people more into political rivals of the royal family, instead of having them simply following another religion?

It's awesome that Florence Kasumba is back as well, she made quite an impression. And Forest Whitaker! So cool.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#63310: Oct 7th 2016 at 4:10:36 PM

This movie is getting together one hell of a cast, and I approve.

[up] Yeah, I'm really glad to hear that Kasumba's going to be reprising her role. Hopefully she'll be given more to do here, considering the Ensemble Dark Horse status she attained with one line in Civil War.

edited 7th Oct '16 4:11:23 PM by RBluefish

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63311: Oct 7th 2016 at 4:34:42 PM

Ayo is the "move of you will be moved" woman, right? Yeah!!!! I was so hoping the character would be back! Just one line and I already adore her!

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#63312: Oct 7th 2016 at 4:47:25 PM

That's cool she's coming back and getting a name. I wonder if Aneka is also going to show up. The Midnight Angels rebellion would make for a nice plot down the line.

Super glad to hear Zuri is being kept because he was a lot of fun but I figured they would've gone for someone more imposing looking for the Boisterous Bruiser character than Whitaker. I always envisioned someone more along the lines of Michael Jai White.

And I'm pretty sure W'Kabi has a metal arm of his own so depending on people's WMG of what might happen to Bucky there we might nevertheless get an idea of what his replacement arm might look like.

edited 7th Oct '16 4:48:39 PM by AlleyOop

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#63313: Oct 7th 2016 at 5:24:48 PM

I'm surprised Martin Freeman hasn't been confirmed yet, it'd be weird if Ross doesn't show up in the movie. Hoping that we get news on Shuri and Hunter soon.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63314: Oct 7th 2016 at 5:46:02 PM

Hasn't he been confirmed for Black Panther since the day he was casted?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#63315: Oct 7th 2016 at 6:02:30 PM

Nope. They didn't even say who he was when he was first cast. Later on they said it was a bit part that'd expand in future movies (pretty much confirming yes, he will be in BP) but they never specified which movies.

Using the Avengers' Wolverine Publicity to promote lesser-known heroes seems to be Marvel's go-to move after Ant-Man. Clever.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#63316: Oct 7th 2016 at 8:31:45 PM

Martin Freeman can stay the hell away from Black Panther.

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#63317: Oct 7th 2016 at 8:50:06 PM

[up]Would you mind explaining why?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#63318: Oct 7th 2016 at 9:00:17 PM

Freeman's character is already in Black Panther.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#63319: Oct 7th 2016 at 9:38:39 PM

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Whoa. Why the hostility for Bilbo my man?

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#63320: Oct 7th 2016 at 10:06:58 PM

Either because Freeman has a reputation of being kind of an asshole, or because they're one of the people who don't want any white characters in Black Panther because their presence would steal screentime that could've been spent on the black characters instead.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#63321: Oct 8th 2016 at 2:29:15 AM

[up] But Ross is a Black Panther character, so that's most likely where he will show up. And there is no way there won't be white people in the movie, and they've never claimed anything else - they simply said that the majority of characters will be black (which so far seems to be the case). I suspect it's part of the reason why he hasn't been confirmed yet - the other might simply be that the castings we're hearing are mostly new characters, except for Ayo.

(I admit that part of my surprise at people being incensed at Bucky possibly showing up in the movie is the fact that Ross pretty much will show up. And while Sebastian Stan may be adorable and have quite a tumblr following, Martin Freeman is a well-known movie star, who seems much more likely to be inserted just for the sake of his popularity.)

edited 8th Oct '16 2:37:32 AM by hollygoolightly

RulerOfImagineverse Since: Sep, 2016
#63322: Oct 8th 2016 at 4:04:52 AM

Ross is a cute erk. The mcu needs more jerks

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#63323: Oct 8th 2016 at 4:05:02 AM

I'm interested in the fact that they've confirmed Florence Kasumba is playing Ayo, since she is a relatively new character (her first named appearance was in the first issue of the most recent Black Panther run by Ta-Nahesi Coates) and she's also most commonly associated with fellow Dora Milage Aneka, since they are in love. I wonder if the movie will explore that

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#63324: Oct 8th 2016 at 4:23:37 AM

[up] Chadwick Boseman said the most recent BP run is definitely influencing them, but I took that to mean in tone. Would be great if they also gave us an awesome lesbian couple, though.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#63325: Oct 8th 2016 at 4:50:06 AM

It's interesting because they both pretty much started production at the same time — although for the movie, pre-production goes much slower than for the comic book, so the movie can definitely be influenced by the comic.

But yeah, it does seem like Coogler's Black Panther will be some sort of combination between Priest's run and the current Coates' run, considering the secondary characters that they have confirmed and the tone they say they are going for (Priest's run was a lot less of a political commentary and a lot more action/comedy, while Coates is straight up going for a political thriller).


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