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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63276: Oct 7th 2016 at 10:45:13 AM

[up] Sorry...I really have a hard time spelling those names right.

But yeah, she is all kinds of awesome!!!! Hopefully she will be all over the MCU TV side....

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#63278: Oct 7th 2016 at 10:48:37 AM

He looks like a rooster.

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#63279: Oct 7th 2016 at 10:48:42 AM

One of the White Tigers. Wasn't Angela del Toro namedropped in Jessica Jones? So it shouldn't be too hard to bring her into the MCU.

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#63281: Oct 7th 2016 at 10:52:25 AM

[up][up] Yeah, but she is more TV level isn't she? I can't really come up with a highly prolific Hispanic character who could lead or at least Co-lead an actual movie, unless Marvel either gets their hands on the X-men rights or the Spider-man verse lasts long enough that we reach Miles Morales...

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#63282: Oct 7th 2016 at 10:54:57 AM

Boop.

Of course, can't use any of the X-Mens.

I guess Sam Nova might be the best bet except Gunn doesn't want to do the flying around superpower Nova type Nova.

So obviously there needs to be a Ms America Chavez movie instantly. Kate Bishop can be in it too.

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#63283: Oct 7th 2016 at 10:55:01 AM

[up][up] True. Hmm, how about Sam Alexander? He's the current Nova, and he'd probably be able to lead a movie. But then again he is a legacy hero, so would the MCU have to introduce Richard Rider first? (I don't know much about Nova.)

[nja]'d. And YES, America Chavez would be awesome to have on the big screen!

edited 7th Oct '16 10:56:01 AM by DeathsApprentice

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#63284: Oct 7th 2016 at 10:56:43 AM

Sam doesn't really have a direct legacy connection to Rider though.

He's not the same kind of legacy character that you need to establish the legacy first. Hell, the fact that comic book Novas aren't a thing might work in his favor. Find a helmet from an ancient Nova initiative or whatever and he'd be the only one.

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RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#63285: Oct 7th 2016 at 10:59:17 AM

I don't know, they're already skipping both Mar-Vell and Monica Rambeaunote  to get to Carol, I think they can skip whoever the previous Novas were to get to Sam easily enough.

Partially [nja]'d.

But yeah, America Chavez is always the first one who comes to mind for me when it comes to Latinx superheroes in the MCU.

edited 7th Oct '16 10:59:38 AM by RBluefish

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#63286: Oct 7th 2016 at 10:59:55 AM

They skipped the other Ghost Riders to get to Robbie Reyes too.

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#63287: Oct 7th 2016 at 11:01:10 AM

Richard was dead way before Sam got the helmet and he's only important to his story insomuch as people will occasionally tell him how much better the "other" Nova was to insult him.

And of course if they can make a Carol Danvers movie without first making a Mar-Vell one then it really isn't that big a deal.[nja]'ed

edited 7th Oct '16 11:01:32 AM by comicwriter

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#63288: Oct 7th 2016 at 11:02:06 AM

I've always liked Silverclaw but I'm not sure if her more comic booky powers suit the tone the MCU sticks with.

I'd love to see her in animation though.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#63289: Oct 7th 2016 at 11:03:16 AM

And of course if they can make a Carol Danvers movie without first making a Mar-Vell one then it really isn't that big a deal
You know, I still think they are going to introduce Mar-Vell and then kill him off in Carol's movie.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63290: Oct 7th 2016 at 11:03:53 AM

Nova is obscure enough that they can pick any incarnation of him they want...which one is the most popular? Because that's what they would most likely go with...either that or create a composite character out of all the "favourites"....

Just because James Gunn doesn't want to use Nova it doesn't mean that he can't be in the MCU.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63291: Oct 7th 2016 at 11:04:59 AM

Silverclaw is difficult...her powers demand movie level special effects, but she just isn't that well known....

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#63292: Oct 7th 2016 at 11:08:28 AM

A character doesn't have to be well known to get put in the movies.

Although she is even obscure by that standard. Aside from Busiek's Avengers run, I think the most significant appearance she's had was as registration fodder during Civil War. And then she left the US because Carol Danvers beat her up and threw her into an interdimensional gulag.

Still though. Mantis was obscure. I can hope, I can dream.

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#63293: Oct 7th 2016 at 11:10:34 AM

Her entry in the Marvel Database ends at Avengers Disassembled so, yeah, she hasn't been around for a while.

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#63294: Oct 7th 2016 at 11:15:55 AM

[up][up]I added an entry in the Hilarious in Hindsight section because there was an old issue of the Avengers where someone even mockingly brought up Mantis as an example of a Z-lister that nobody remembered or gave a shit about. The MCU kinda makes the concept of character notoriety irrelevant.

edited 7th Oct '16 11:16:20 AM by comicwriter

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#63295: Oct 7th 2016 at 11:18:26 AM

I notice that that's a thing. Not creator's pet necessarily but characters that it seems nobody but their creator has interest in. Silverclaw and Triathlon were unceremoniously dropped from Avengers after Busiek. Monica Rambeau feels that way too, with her being depowered and quitting the team shortly after Stern stopped writing the book.

Characters that just drop off into limbo when the creative staff changes.

[up] I'll fight the person who said that.

edited 7th Oct '16 11:19:44 AM by Bocaj

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63296: Oct 7th 2016 at 11:19:16 AM

Well, kind of, but you still need something to make you stand out enough in order to allow you to get put into a movie ahead of other characters...the Got G are kind of a special case. And I'll be honest here: I don't think that we would have gotten them ahead of the Fantastic 4 and Silver Surfer if Marvel had the rights. Just being a badass with some abilities is not enough, the character has to cover new ground somehow.

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#63297: Oct 7th 2016 at 11:24:47 AM

We definitely wouldn't have gotten them ahead of the Fantastic Four. If Marvel had all the rights, X-Men, Spider-Man, and FF would have started the MCU. They're the A-List.

Marvel Studios had to take a chance on its B-List with Iron Man and when that worked out really well they started pushing the Avengers franchise. Then they took another chance on their C-List with Guardians, it was awesome, and suddenly the likes of Dr. Strange, Black Panther, and the Inhumans are getting greenlit.

Now they just need a successful D-List movie like, say, Howard the Duck to open that door and then the sky's the limit for the MCU.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63298: Oct 7th 2016 at 11:32:27 AM

I wouldn't call Howard the Duck a D-lister. As shitty as his movie is, it ensures that he has some notoriety.

Though there already was a highly successful movie based on D-List Marvel character...well, more E-lister if there is such a thing. It is called Big Hero 6.

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#63299: Oct 7th 2016 at 11:48:14 AM

Well, kind of, but you still need something to make you stand out enough in order to allow you to get put into a movie ahead of other characters...the Got G are kind of a special case. And I'll be honest here: I don't think that we would have gotten them ahead of the Fantastic 4 and Silver Surfer if Marvel had the rights. Just being a badass with some abilities is not enough, the character has to cover new ground somehow.

What new ground exactly, did say, the Guardians break?

Hell, Captain America, Hulk and Spider-Man had their movies before the MCU.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63300: Oct 7th 2016 at 12:14:44 PM

[up] Access to the space part of the MCU and therefore way more room to play in.


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