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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#63226: Oct 6th 2016 at 4:07:03 PM

To be fair, if she moves to the Punisher it would both make Daredevil less crowded and let us get rid of the dull, lifeless romance subplot.

Plus I might actually watch Punisher. Jon Berenthal did an excellent job, but I still have zero interest in seeing a 13 episode show that's mostly about Frank Castle.

But, if they're still only doing 2-3 shows a year that means there's going to be a pretty large gap between Daredevil seasons, not to mention all of the other shows; I could see them juggling actors around so more of them have steady work and don't make big commitments to like, an NBC show or something. I could easily see a few actors being regulars on more than one show.

edited 6th Oct '16 4:08:41 PM by Pseudopartition

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#63227: Oct 6th 2016 at 4:07:51 PM

I just want Matt and Foggy to fuck.

My various fanfics.
hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#63228: Oct 6th 2016 at 4:11:25 PM

That would also elevate the lack of LGBT characters...

[up][up] as much as I liked Frank and Karen together, and as cute as I think Deborah Ann Woll is, I need more than that and Prince Caspian to watch a Punisher show.

edited 6th Oct '16 4:18:49 PM by hollygoolightly

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#63229: Oct 6th 2016 at 4:30:57 PM

I suppose if Karen got out of there it might save her from dying too.

One Strip! One Strip!
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#63230: Oct 6th 2016 at 4:59:46 PM

I doubt Karen is going to leave Daredevil. She is an integral part of "Born Again," which I believe is what they are building up to.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#63231: Oct 6th 2016 at 5:03:20 PM

Considering how Karen was written into becoming a drug addicted porn star in Born Again, I'm kinda skeptical of an adaption.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#63232: Oct 6th 2016 at 5:12:54 PM

What the-

<looks it up>

Oh, Frank Miller. That explains it. Ugh.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#63233: Oct 6th 2016 at 5:13:51 PM

Yeah, please don't subject her to that.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#63234: Oct 6th 2016 at 5:15:25 PM

The problem was they keep trying to push Matt/Karen as a thing when Charlie Cox has way more chemistry with Rosario Dawson and Elodie Yung. The actress is fine, the romance just has no fire.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#63235: Oct 6th 2016 at 5:21:08 PM

[up][up][up][up]My theory is that they'll replace that part of Born Again with whatever happened to Karen during her studiously untalked-about Dark and Troubled Past.

edited 6th Oct '16 5:23:08 PM by Unsung

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#63236: Oct 6th 2016 at 5:25:11 PM

Or they could, ya know, not have Karen give away Matt's secret identity and have someone else do it. Karen doesn't have to be the one to do it.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#63237: Oct 6th 2016 at 5:28:12 PM

It seems possible they're just going to have Fisk figure that out himself. Just my read from their little visit in the prison.

And he'll probably be ruining Foggy and Karen's careers and lives, what with Matt having pretty much torched his own.

edited 6th Oct '16 5:31:35 PM by Unsung

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#63238: Oct 6th 2016 at 5:32:40 PM

Sounds possible.

I mean, I know they won't be able to use Captain America for it. Shame, really, because he was one of the best parts of Born Again.

Also, sidenote, but apparently Karen's death in the Born Again comic is her last appearance ever in comics. So Frank Miller more or less turned her into a failed porn star drug addict who sold out her ex boyfriend to get a fix, and then got killed for it. Fuck you, good sir.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#63239: Oct 6th 2016 at 5:34:01 PM

[up][up] Yeah, it seemed clear to me that Fisk was going to figure it out on his own. But Karen's killing of Wesley is probably going to come back, too, and cause Fisk to want revenge on her.

[up] Karen didn't die in "Born Again" — the story actually ends with Matt and Karen together. No, Karen was killed by Kevin Smith a decade or so later during the "Guardian Devil" story.

edited 6th Oct '16 5:36:21 PM by alliterator

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#63240: Oct 6th 2016 at 5:37:16 PM

Personally, if I were to reveal Daredevil's identity, I'd do something like this.

(Mind you, I haven't actually read that much of Mark Waid's run, but this scene would be amazing.

Oh God! Natural light!
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#63241: Oct 6th 2016 at 5:40:25 PM

Kingpin definitely knows Matt's identity if Season 2 is anything to go by.

The question is if he's going to play that hand close to his chest, or reveal it publically for any random criminal to go after him with. Probably the former.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#63242: Oct 6th 2016 at 5:47:41 PM

[up][up][up]

Ah, my apologies then.

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RulerOfImagineverse Since: Sep, 2016
#63243: Oct 6th 2016 at 5:49:12 PM

Hnm. Interesting. Daniel is considered an orphan when whomever takes him into K'un-Lun. In the comics I guess you can consider him an orphan though Lei Kung, the Thunderer isn't played up to being a parental figure. His relationship to K'un-Lun as not only a training ground but a newly found home for him doesn't have much story to it.

Another difference. Wendell, Heather, and Meachum take a plane towards K'un Lun rather than walk. Heather dies from it crashing in a storm instead of being eaten from wolves.

Daniel comes back to America more confused than ever, clearly dressed as if he has no sense of life outside K'un-Lun. In the comics, he blended pretty well in the rest of society without much effort.

My only speculation. Although not confirmed, I say he gets placed into the medical facility because he talked about K'un Lun after getting into trouble, a place that sounds like it came out of Mortal Kombat.

Question. Was Ninja ever casted. I forget. Because if so then we have Khan.

edited 6th Oct '16 5:59:29 PM by RulerOfImagineverse

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#63244: Oct 6th 2016 at 6:18:59 PM

I think that the Born Again-esque stuff with Karen might have essentially already happened. They keep mentioning her "dark murky past," but still haven't really told us what it is yet.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#63245: Oct 6th 2016 at 6:21:57 PM

Long as she wasn't a hooker.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#63246: Oct 6th 2016 at 6:39:28 PM

I'd take Mike Murdock over Karen becoming a dope addicted porn star.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#63247: Oct 6th 2016 at 6:42:29 PM

We actually already had Mike Murdock — when Matt wouldn't tell Claire his name at first, she called him "Mike."

And we probably won't get Karen the Drug-Addicted Porn Star, because that happened when Karen went out to Los Angeles to become a movie star and the Karen in the show doesn't appear to ever want to do that. She already has a second job right now as a reporter anyway.

edited 6th Oct '16 6:43:29 PM by alliterator

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#63248: Oct 6th 2016 at 6:44:11 PM

Fair enough, but I meant an entire Mike Murdock plot where Matt gets the bright idea to have a secret identity as his own identical twin brother.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#63249: Oct 6th 2016 at 6:48:49 PM

He not only pretends to be his own twin brother, he then kills his twin brother off.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#63250: Oct 6th 2016 at 7:13:18 PM

[up]x4 Don't see why being an ex-prostitute would be a dealbreaker in itself. Former sex worker with agency, sounds like it could lend the demographic some useful humanization.

edited 6th Oct '16 7:14:56 PM by AlleyOop


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