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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63201: Oct 6th 2016 at 1:19:46 PM

It looks like KK is headed for TV though...they had a TV show with her in work already in the past...though they might have changed their mind...

RulerOfImagineverse Since: Sep, 2016
#63202: Oct 6th 2016 at 1:41:37 PM

[up][up]That's three characters who can make their own technology and powers. Tinker, Vulture, and Shocker made their suits themselves. They are equally smart in that regard, which kinda makes things interesting in live action if comicbook roots are taken too seriously. Less interesting because I can't imagine the connection between them through that way.

I think for a Spiderman film we have the importance of youth in a reality where escapism was once only escapism. Now it's very much mundane and someone like the next Spiderman knock off or KK might receive a "meh, already saw that one before, nothing new dude" expression. For young people, the superpower powered world might get a lot of eye rolls at after 2020. It's going to be competitive during phase 4. By then I think any reference counts no matter the medium

edited 6th Oct '16 1:53:54 PM by RulerOfImagineverse

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#63203: Oct 6th 2016 at 1:45:29 PM

Kinda hope they do something with Kamala, the Inhuman royal family, and a hidden city at the bottom of the ocean/on the frigging moon. Just because the Fantastic Four are off-limits and Namor and Atlantis are...contested doesn't mean those concepts can't work in other ways. To be honest, since we're already getting Jason Momoa as Aquaman in the Snyderverse, I'd rather see Black Bolt than Namor.

[up]Oh, right, Tinkerer. I keep forgetting.

I keep wondering if they're going to bring in Vulture's life-draining, youth-stealing device. That was a big part of the '90s animated series, and the advertising seems to hint that that was an influence on this movie. I'd also be curious to see if that technology somehow plays into some of the (admittedly weak, circumstantial) hints that this movie is going to introduce the Spider-verse.

edited 6th Oct '16 1:55:33 PM by Unsung

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#63204: Oct 6th 2016 at 1:57:56 PM

So apparently a certain other character is also showing up in the Punisher show. And I actually really like this.

edited 6th Oct '16 1:59:13 PM by Punisher286

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#63205: Oct 6th 2016 at 2:00:07 PM

So do I. I honestly wouldn't mind if she just straight up moved to his show. Matt's smothering her; she's a much stronger character in any scene she does not have to share with him, but their romantic relationship is just awful for both of them.

edited 6th Oct '16 2:02:59 PM by TobiasDrake

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#63207: Oct 6th 2016 at 2:02:42 PM

Are we talking about Karen? [nja]

Yeah, I want to like her but every scene she shares with Matt is just bland. I wouldn't mind her role in Daredevil being reduced to give her more screentime in Punisher.

edited 6th Oct '16 2:02:53 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#63208: Oct 6th 2016 at 2:02:47 PM

Yes. She was mentioned by name originally then appears to have been edited out.

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#63209: Oct 6th 2016 at 2:04:32 PM

Wait, what about Karen?

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hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#63210: Oct 6th 2016 at 2:08:05 PM

[up] She'll apparently show up in Punisher, since Deborah Ann Woll was on set, filming with Jon Bernthal.

Wouldn't it be ironic if two of Daredevil's four important female characters ended up having more and better screentime on other shows?

edited 6th Oct '16 2:09:45 PM by hollygoolightly

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#63211: Oct 6th 2016 at 2:11:31 PM

Who are the others? Vanessa and Madame Gao? Madame Gao probably *is* going to get more screentime on Iron Fist, right?

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#63212: Oct 6th 2016 at 2:12:11 PM

Damn. I'm starting to realize just how far Daredevil has fallen compared to the rest of the Netflix shows.

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hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#63213: Oct 6th 2016 at 2:14:04 PM

[up][up] Claire, Karen, Vanessa and Elektra were mine, but obviously Madame Gao is there, too. However, she's more a cool/mysterious adversary than a character who gets developed in her own right so far.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#63214: Oct 6th 2016 at 2:17:04 PM

...I'm an idiot. Of course, Elektra, obviously. Heh.

edited 6th Oct '16 2:17:17 PM by Unsung

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#63215: Oct 6th 2016 at 2:22:25 PM

[up][up][up]That's what happens when you have a terrible second season.

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#63216: Oct 6th 2016 at 2:23:48 PM

Here's hoping for Season 3!

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#63217: Oct 6th 2016 at 2:24:06 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up][up]I just want to step in to say that's not irony, just coincidence.

edited 6th Oct '16 2:24:20 PM by Anomalocaris20

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#63218: Oct 6th 2016 at 2:37:12 PM

Artist's rendition of Iron Fist. Looks alright I guess. Still waiting on the costume.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#63219: Oct 6th 2016 at 2:45:16 PM

It looks like KK is headed for TV though...they had a TV show with her in work already in the past...though they might have changed their mind...

It was never actually confirmed and nothing has been heard about it since. The entire "rumor" was the writer using Insane Troll Logic to say that John Ridley's new show would be a Ms. Marvel show because he once did another show that had a Muslim woman in it.

Which would kinda be like me saying Aaron Sorkin is making a Moon Knight show because he once did a TV show that had Jewish people in it.

edited 6th Oct '16 2:45:42 PM by comicwriter

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#63220: Oct 6th 2016 at 3:03:20 PM

See, now I want Dare Devil to bounce back and improve so people will stop ripping on it.

And while Karen might be good on Punisher, maybe if Dare Devil fixed it's shit, people wouldn't want her to leave. I'm annoyed with the Hand plot and some of Matt's screw ups as well, but instead of tossing him under the bus, why not just improve it?

I'm hoping he gets better.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#63221: Oct 6th 2016 at 3:10:56 PM

Daredevil's season 2 was a little weak, but it wasn't unsalvageably awful. It was just too busy, and focused on the wrong things. But those first four episodes with the Punisher were as good as anything anywhere in the MCU. Better, even.

edited 6th Oct '16 3:11:17 PM by Unsung

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#63222: Oct 6th 2016 at 3:26:04 PM

[up]x5 Don't you think?

(I actually always liked that song, bad definitions or not.)

I think Daredevil S2 was disappointing to many mostly because while the first season has problems, it also did some things exceptionally well. And if the comic TV shows you're used to are along the lines of Arrow, it just makes you excited and hopeful. And then comes the Hand.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#63223: Oct 6th 2016 at 3:36:33 PM

[up]

Well, I'm just worried that people are turning a little too hard on it.

Arrow has earned it's poor rep, and has an uphill battle to gain back respect.

Dare Devil has a poor second season and people are already wanting to pull out characters to save them from being dragged down with it.

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#63224: Oct 6th 2016 at 4:04:40 PM

The desire for Karen to abandon ship has nothing to do with how shitty the Hand plot was and everything to do with how consistently terrible the Matt/Karen ship has been. The only time the Romantic Plot Tumor was not obnoxious and intrusive was when it gave Castle a rare opportunity to show off the hopeless romantic aspect of his character that often gets overlooked in favor of epic gun shootiness.

Karen, as a character, is at her best when she's not interacting with Matt. Matt, meanwhile, is kinda shitty when he's interacting with her too. Thus, it's to everyone's benefit of Karen and Matt kindly f*ck off from each other.

edited 6th Oct '16 4:06:00 PM by TobiasDrake

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hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#63225: Oct 6th 2016 at 4:04:44 PM

[up][up] It wouldn't be my favourite solution by any stretch - not least I feel it would be letting the Daredevil writers off the hook. Matt's ever evolving love life isn't something I'm all that interested in, but if they feel it's necessary to play it like they are doing at the moment, they should perhaps put some care into how they're writing the people involved.

I like Karen just fine, but I know lots of people were sort of split on her in S2, liking her in her scenes with Frank, and disliking the relationship with Matt. Claire's problem is a different one, she's more of a guest star than anything close to a regular character - maybe they could simply decide what they want her to be. If she's a main on Luke Cage, I'm fine with her just having a supporting part on DD, but they have to commit to that.

edited 6th Oct '16 4:06:38 PM by hollygoolightly


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