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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#63176: Oct 6th 2016 at 10:18:29 AM

Didn't she also repeatedly misgender her, though? That's pretty contemptuous. (And I did have the impression that "Sister Boy" was a derogatory name given to her by others.)

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#63177: Oct 6th 2016 at 10:20:22 AM

[up] Yep. I found it interesting that Ma Mabel misgendered her while saying that Cornell should have protected her, while Cornell said her correct gender while saying that she should have fought like a man.

Ma Mabel is kind of like Vito Corleone — she's a criminal, but a noble one, doesn't deal drugs, helps the community, but still deals in bad things. She's bad, but not evil.

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#63178: Oct 6th 2016 at 10:20:37 AM

Since Mabel looked like a 70's character, not being transphobic already firmly put her on the "progressive" side, it might have been a bit too much to expect proper pronouns from her.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#63179: Oct 6th 2016 at 10:57:15 AM

Well, the MCU and DCCU blew up, I blame everyone except me for itevil grin

but aside I remind me something: are the inhuman play a big part in future Marvel movies? it get kinda awkward when they show all over the world and yet not mention in CW, how you think they are gonna tackle

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63180: Oct 6th 2016 at 10:59:02 AM

We will have to wait and see when it comes to that....Civil war at least kind of acknowledged that there are suddenly enough powered people popping up that "everyone has a gimmick now". And Ant-man did the same thing by saying that there is all kinds of powers nowadays.

edited 6th Oct '16 10:59:33 AM by Swanpride

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#63181: Oct 6th 2016 at 10:59:47 AM

Agents of Vengeance is the only MCU property with Inhumans right now, and we've already gone over the films ignoring the tv shows.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#63182: Oct 6th 2016 at 11:01:16 AM

[up][up]that could be less inhuman and just more heroes(since is true) but less way and see

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hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#63183: Oct 6th 2016 at 11:03:37 AM

[up][up][up] It was also kind of ironic that Mr. Bird Costume of all people complained about everybody having a "gimmick" now.

Wasn't Inhumans something that Ike Perlmutter was specifically very interested in pushing and Kevin Feige was specifically not very interested in? I wouldn't be too surprised if the movieverse just quietly ignored the Inhumans.

edited 6th Oct '16 11:05:39 AM by hollygoolightly

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#63184: Oct 6th 2016 at 11:04:30 AM

Sam had an animal gimmick before it was cool.

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hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#63186: Oct 6th 2016 at 11:15:57 AM

Honestly, the push to make an Inhumans movie always seemed more like an attempt to spite Fox for still having the X-Men's movie rights than anything else.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#63187: Oct 6th 2016 at 11:23:25 AM

If they went with the full on Inhumans Royal Family, that would make it much, much different from the X-Men.

Also, I want to see Lockjaw on screen. And Ms. Marvel. GIVE ME KAMALA KHAN HUGGING LOCKJAW, DAMMIT.

edited 6th Oct '16 11:23:38 AM by alliterator

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#63188: Oct 6th 2016 at 11:30:02 AM

PLEASE! I would pay so much for a movie that was just Kamala hugging Lockjaw, let's be real.

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hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#63189: Oct 6th 2016 at 11:34:55 AM

Well, if Wanda Maximoff can be Not A Mutant, I bet Kamala Khan can be Not An Inhuman.

And Lockjaw can be... who or whatever Lockjaw is.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#63190: Oct 6th 2016 at 11:35:01 AM

Throw her in the sitcom with Gwenpool and Squirrel Girl.

Make all the money, Marvel. You know you want to.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#63191: Oct 6th 2016 at 12:00:03 PM

Rumors are that yes, Inhumans was Perlmutter's pet property, and that Feige had to accept it in order to get BP and CM onto the slate, and now that he's got his way and Perlmutter is out of the equation he's free to kick the Inhumans solo film down the line every few years. They're still shilling hard for the Inhumans on the comics side of things since Perlmutter still has influence over that side of things.

Anyway I'd be totally fine with Kamala not being an Inhuman in the MCU. Her hanging out with Lockjaw and Medusa, and bonding with Lunella are cute, but for the most part it's a dispensable aspect of her character.

edited 6th Oct '16 12:00:53 PM by AlleyOop

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#63192: Oct 6th 2016 at 12:16:10 PM

Agree. I've never read up on Kamala but judging why anyone likes her comic, her character doesn't need to be Inhuman to work.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#63193: Oct 6th 2016 at 12:28:00 PM

Her stories had little to do with the Inhumans other than being a convenient origin and palling around with Lockjaw.

Or hey just say she ate some of that infected fish oil.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63194: Oct 6th 2016 at 12:32:28 PM

Independent from the question whose pet project it was, I actually felt that Inhumans was one of the more interesting announcements they made. But with a lot of the fanbase being angry about the Inhumans replacing the X-men, it will also be under a cloud from the get go should it make it back on the schedule. It certainly doesn't help that Thor is still one of the weaker franchises in the MCU.

When it comes to Ao S, I don't think that the movies need to go into the details where all the powered people are coming from. They can just emphasise a little bit more that they keep popping up, perhaps mention some of the events in the TV shows in a side-sentences. Ie someone could simply list powered people in some sort of context. For example Team Cap can have a "where do we go from here" talk and someone points out that the accords are no longer pertaining just the Avengers, there is also a group of powered vigilantes in New York who are under scrutiny, and this woman who keep causing earthquakes.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#63195: Oct 6th 2016 at 12:57:54 PM

You wouldn't necessarily need the Inhumans to get a movie to set up Ms. Marvel anyway. You could have something related to Terrigen happen in Infinity War or another Avengers sequel even.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#63196: Oct 6th 2016 at 12:59:25 PM

At the very least, I would like for a random powered person in the movies to be an Inhuman. Doesn't need any detail, just a basic "What are you?" "Inhuman."

Not sure where that would fit, though. I don't think we currently have any movie heroes that are going to be retconned into Inhumans. Did they say they're still doing Captain Marvel's normal origin story? I heard something about how they're worried it's too close to Green Lantern.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63197: Oct 6th 2016 at 1:07:38 PM

They will rewrite Captain Marvel's origin story...and yes, this would be a good opportunity to mention the Kree experiments in the movie part of the MCU.

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#63198: Oct 6th 2016 at 1:07:56 PM

Even without setting up the Inhumans, they could still do Kamala. As noted, being an Inhuman isn't that important to her character. It's mainly just a source for her powers.

Age of Ultron had no problem establishing Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch as Hydra experiments.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#63199: Oct 6th 2016 at 1:12:07 PM

[up] I am honestly less concerned about KK and more about the need of the movies to somehow acknowledge how common special powers truly are now.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#63200: Oct 6th 2016 at 1:14:47 PM

Maybe Spider-Man will do that. Shocker and Vulture actually seem like a pretty good way of pointing out that anyone with a brain can give themselves superpowers with the technology that's out in the wild now.


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