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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#63101: Oct 4th 2016 at 5:12:48 PM

People DO discuss those things, too. You're more than free to broach those subjects yourself, if you like, but just try to keep in mind most people have good reason to care about those things even if they aren't as personally important to you.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#63102: Oct 4th 2016 at 5:19:17 PM

Agreed. There are plenty of people who would be willing to discuss those subjects, but complaining that we're discussing the MCU's racial issues (which is an important topic to many people) won't do you any favors.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#63103: Oct 4th 2016 at 5:23:35 PM

Ehhhh...

No, you guys are right. I'm sorry. I was being an asshole.

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#63104: Oct 4th 2016 at 5:25:09 PM

[up][up][up][up]It does get somewhat cloying at times, but as far as I know, you wont get shit for enjoying or hyping a show that other's here have deemed "problematic".

edited 4th Oct '16 5:26:58 PM by nervmeister

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#63105: Oct 4th 2016 at 5:29:45 PM

[up][up] Hey, no worries man. Just something to keep in mind.

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#63106: Oct 4th 2016 at 5:31:29 PM

I enjoyed Daredevil and the ninjas didn't ruin it for me, although the second half of Season 2 was a lot weaker than the rest of the series and they were part of it. I expect to enjoy Doctor Strange and Iron Fist. But the problems are still there.

edited 4th Oct '16 5:43:18 PM by Unsung

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#63107: Oct 4th 2016 at 5:33:11 PM

I mean, I'm a fan of Berserk. I'm the last person to get on somebody for them liking something that's "problematic" [lol].

I don't think anybody really cares that much if people enjoy Iron Fist or anything.

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#63108: Oct 4th 2016 at 5:36:47 PM

I certainly won't shame anyone for liking it. I plan on watching it myself so I can form my own opinion.

But there are some problems inherent in the premise, and I think those deserve to be talked about.

[up] I've never seen Berserk. How is it problematic?

edited 4th Oct '16 5:37:52 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#63109: Oct 4th 2016 at 5:39:38 PM

I mean, we just had a bunch of people talking about how much they liked Ant-Man, and Tobias has pointed out on numerous occasions how badly it treated Hope. It's fine to like a film, but there's still moments in it that can be considered problematic.

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#63110: Oct 4th 2016 at 5:45:27 PM

To be fair to Ant Man, the treatment of Hope was at least partially a symptom of the previous Edgar Wright script (where she had even less of a role then this version).

And we all know she's going to kick all our asses in the sequel....probably Tony Stark's ass too.

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#63111: Oct 4th 2016 at 5:46:10 PM

You mean Tony Stank's ass.

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#63112: Oct 4th 2016 at 5:49:48 PM

I am still, quite frankly, stunned that Wright wanted an Ant-Man film, and not only didn't want the Wasp in it, but made it so that Janet was dead without even a cursory appearance.

I mean, seriously.

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#63113: Oct 4th 2016 at 5:55:50 PM

I'm still shooting for Catherine Zeta-Jones to appear as Janet if they do a "rescue her from the Quantum Realm" plot.

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#63114: Oct 4th 2016 at 6:00:52 PM

I've never seen Berserk. How is it problematic?

Sent you a PM since I didn't want to clog up the thread.

Also I haven't ever seen any of Edgar Wright's movies but everything I've read about the subject seems to indicate he might not have actually been the best person for that particular job. I'm not necessarily going to lambast him for his movies not being super inclusive towards women (although that's a fair criticism), but I would not have put him on Ant-Man.

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#63115: Oct 4th 2016 at 6:10:13 PM

Not so. Might I point out the series finale of Angel, entitled "Not Fade Away," which ended with them fighting and, it was implied, them always fighting. The entire theme of the show was, in fact, "even if you can't win, you can still fight."

(In fact, that's pretty much what Daredevil reminds me of: Angel. Especially the vicious circle, the fact that no matter how many wins Angel gets, he still loses. The Senior Partners are even worse than Fisk, actually, because you can't kill them. They don't exist despite humanity, they exist because of humanity.)

Angel was fighting the abstract concept of evil itself. Dare Devil is fighting a mortal human man. The Kingpin is not an eternal force of nature intrinsically bound with the very concept of free will.

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#63116: Oct 4th 2016 at 6:11:02 PM

[up][up] Yes, that is a problem with him. Hot Fuzz, probably my favorite film of his that I've seen, is probably the worst, with no major female characters, and the only heroic one is the one who basically does nothing but make sex jokes. (Most of the villainous ones are all gun-toting older women, though, so there is that.)

edited 4th Oct '16 6:11:21 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#63117: Oct 4th 2016 at 6:21:09 PM

I like the Cornetto Trilogy, but there aren't many female characters, being mostly about male friendships and maturity, boys becoming men, or not. I don't know if any of them would pass the Bechdel Test. Hot Fuzz was originally going to have a love interest, but she was written out when they realized it would be funnier to just give the same lines to Simon Pegg's Buddy Cop.

edited 4th Oct '16 6:26:43 PM by Unsung

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#63118: Oct 4th 2016 at 6:22:52 PM

[up] I think you mean Nick Frost.

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#63119: Oct 4th 2016 at 6:25:17 PM

Yeah, that could be read that way, couldn't it? I meant Nick Frost as Simon Pegg's partner.

edited 4th Oct '16 6:27:03 PM by Unsung

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#63120: Oct 4th 2016 at 6:28:15 PM
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#63121: Oct 4th 2016 at 6:36:16 PM

I just saw this video and thought you guys might appreciate it.

Luke Cage spoilers... sort of, I guess? (How much can you get from laugh anyway?)

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#63122: Oct 4th 2016 at 7:26:13 PM

I'm gonna be honest, I... really can't comment on any of the Netflix shows, because I haven't watched them, because darkness is NOT my cup of tea.

But you know what kind of spinoff show I'd like to see? D- and C- listers, or otherwise lighthearted characters, in a sitcom setting.

  • Random Civilian: Oh no! The Grappler is robbing a place!
  • Squirrel Girl: You want to take this one, Gwenpool, or should I?
  • Gwenpool: Hang on, let me check the script... Okay, yeah, my only appearances in this episode are quips and... I have one more meta joke to get in. Huh, wonder if my actress started charging more...?

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#63123: Oct 4th 2016 at 7:27:43 PM

I would so watch a Squirrel Girl and Gwenpool sitcom. That would be hilarious to see.

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#63124: Oct 4th 2016 at 7:29:03 PM

Wouldn't Gwenpool's rights be stuck with Fox?

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#63125: Oct 4th 2016 at 7:31:05 PM

That's the best part- In spite of sharing a name with him, they aren't. She hasn't interacted with him at all.


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