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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#63026: Oct 4th 2016 at 11:59:54 AM

What I've heard of DD season 2 doesn't inspire much confidence in me that this will be a sensitive portrayal of asian race relations. The fact that Danny is still white is kind of a big red flag in and of itself.

I'm all for faithful and loving adaptations of beloved characters, but sometimes when an old aspect of a character isn't working anymore you have to change it.

Marvel's Netflix series have honestly been pretty inconsistent about this.

On one hand, we have Jessica Jones which, flawed as it was, still had a pretty powerful metanarrative and commentary on rape culture in a way that very few works have done. Luke Cage I have not finished yet, but everything I've been hearing and seeing from reactions indicate that it explores black american culture in a very genuine way, giving a perspective that is sorely lacking in mainstream media.

...but then we have Daredevil, and now Iron Fist. It might be a little early to judge Iron Fist on the whole since the show isn't out yet, but it is definitely true that the casting does not inspire confidence.

[up][up] Marvel hasn't been ENTIRELY false promises and failures. They did give us JJ, Luke Cage, and Black Panther is coming out soon. So it makes sense for people to be interested in those. I don't think anybody is necessarily saying the show will be BAD just yet, but there was a lost opportunity here.

...it's just what comes afterwards that people are worried about.

edited 4th Oct '16 12:01:25 PM by Draghinazzo

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#63027: Oct 4th 2016 at 12:06:52 PM

I mostly want to watch Iron Fist for Colleen Wing, to be honest.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#63028: Oct 4th 2016 at 12:09:29 PM

...no, they couldn't. A character cannot simultaneously be a mouthpiece for the criticism of Danny's Mighty Whitey status AND not antagonistic towards him in the slightest over it. That's like saying that Wong is going to be a mouthpiece for people upset about the Tibetan erasure via being Dr. Strange's close, personal companion and supporting him in everything he does. You guys are belligerently not getting this and I'm starting to smell some shifting goalposts.
-grabs Tobias- Listen to me. You're right that Danny will likely turn out to be a Mighty Whitey to some degree and therefore it's understandable that you're anxious that this series will aid in largely making Asian-Americans feel insignificant in their own country and thus keep them from aspiring to reach "greater heights", so to speak, but I have faith this series won't make the same mistake Season 2 of Daredevil did. After Luke Cage, I'm positive that the MNU is only going to improve. You can quote me on that.

edited 4th Oct '16 12:10:06 PM by nervmeister

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#63029: Oct 4th 2016 at 12:10:19 PM

I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm annoyed at the lack of representation as well. I still want my lead Latino actor, and so far all I've gotten is Luis and Robbie Reyes.

At the same time, no matter how much I get angry over it, I still wanna watch them for the entertainment aspect.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#63030: Oct 4th 2016 at 12:11:59 PM

[up]Robbie Reyes is kind of a big deal. The fact that Marvel was willing to skip over Blaze and Ketch and make him the first GR to debut in the MCU says something.

edited 4th Oct '16 12:14:15 PM by nervmeister

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#63031: Oct 4th 2016 at 12:14:32 PM

Yeah, and he's on a TV series that Marvel seems to not care as much about as their Netflix shows. I want a lead in the movies. Male or female, I don't give a shit, but for the love of god give me a Latino lead. I'll even take Luis starring in his own movie where it's just ninety minutes of him talking.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#63032: Oct 4th 2016 at 12:15:58 PM

I would watch a 90-minute version of one of Luis's "stories".

Complete with him voicing every character.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#63033: Oct 4th 2016 at 12:16:31 PM

I'll even take Luis starring in his own movie where it's just ninety minutes of him talking.

I would so watch that, not gonna lie.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#63034: Oct 4th 2016 at 12:17:32 PM

Have it be Luis reenacting Civil War, have Michael Pena playing every character, and boom, I will see it.

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#63035: Oct 4th 2016 at 12:18:01 PM

Me too.

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#63036: Oct 4th 2016 at 12:18:20 PM

Ant Man was super underrated and he was one of the best parts of it.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#63037: Oct 4th 2016 at 12:18:39 PM

[up][up]Same.

[up]"It's your conscience. We don't talk a lot these days," is one of the standout lines of the entire MCU for me.

edited 4th Oct '16 12:20:30 PM by Unsung

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#63038: Oct 4th 2016 at 12:18:59 PM

Or him abridging the entire MCU up to this point in one run-on-sentence.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#63039: Oct 4th 2016 at 12:19:35 PM

MCU: The Abridged Series.

Starring Michael Pena as everybody.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#63040: Oct 4th 2016 at 12:20:23 PM

Shut up, and take my money!

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#63041: Oct 4th 2016 at 12:20:36 PM

[up][up] FUND IT!

edited 4th Oct '16 12:20:51 PM by DeathsApprentice

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#63042: Oct 4th 2016 at 12:20:50 PM

Yeah, and he's on a TV series that Marvel seems to not care as much about as their Netflix shows.

I mean, I don't care about it as much compared to their other Netflix shows. :p

It's cool that Robbie is coming but I'd rather they have given him his own show.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#63043: Oct 4th 2016 at 12:22:56 PM

I've actually been watching Agents of SHIELD more than the Netflix shows (mostly because I keep forgetting to check out the Netflix shows), and with what they're doing right now, I actually like how they've incorporated Ghost Rider. Still makes me annoyed that there's no Latino movie leads, though. Give me friggin' America Chavez or something.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#63044: Oct 4th 2016 at 12:24:32 PM

I would like a latino lead in the movies myself but I also especially want one as part of the Darker and Edgier Netflix-verse Marvel has been cultivating and Robbie would have been perfect as part of that.

I might still check him out on Agents of SHIELD though.

edited 4th Oct '16 12:24:42 PM by Draghinazzo

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#63045: Oct 4th 2016 at 12:25:38 PM

Agents of SHIELD has always been pretty damn dark. Ghost Rider actually fits it really well.

Plus, he kind of reminds me of the Punisher in this case.

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#63046: Oct 4th 2016 at 12:28:54 PM

[up][up][up]Well Samuel Alexander (Nova) would be a good start.

edited 4th Oct '16 12:31:16 PM by nervmeister

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#63047: Oct 4th 2016 at 12:29:21 PM

Agents of SHIELD is dark in that Buffy the Vampire Slayer way, where the main cast is deceptively light and fluffy, but the subject matter can be downright brutal. It doesn't always work for AOS, given that this is supposed to be a secret agency and not just a tight-knit circle of friends, but when it's good, it's very good.

Maybe Ghost Rider will get spun off? Hope so.

edited 4th Oct '16 3:40:53 PM by Unsung

RulerOfImagineverse Since: Sep, 2016
#63048: Oct 4th 2016 at 12:30:32 PM

I am interested in if Qi, an energy source, becomes visible. So far Madame Gao used it. I do not need a bunch of scenes to confirm how this elder sent Daredevil flying back on his ass was because of Qi. I hope there's less exposition around explaining the energy.

Also what if Daniel has his own marital art moves like in the comics? Ram’s Head Punch, Dragon Stamp Kick, and Defensive Cat Stance. Fun fact. Penciller Larry Hama practiced marital arts, while the original penciller, Gill Kane, in love with gymnastic and martial arts, aimed for Eastern action cinema.

I guess I am a little wrong about what I said on the last page. Roy Thomas clearly was inspired by Chinese mythology because K-un Lun is the closet thing Marvel has to Chinese Heaven. That and the action is as far as cultural appropriation goes lol.

Another fun fact. Daniel's earliest stories were only told in second person. It wasn't until he took over the Rand Meachem business and called himself New York's staple Iron Fist his story's point of view stepped up to third person. Not even really the stories themselves but his thoughts. Meanwhile, the exotic strangeness of the Heavenly Cities were far more fleshed out and those who lived there.

edited 4th Oct '16 12:47:01 PM by RulerOfImagineverse

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#63049: Oct 4th 2016 at 12:33:33 PM

[up]As long as someone's face literally gets caved in with a punch, leaving behind what looks like a bloody butthole with one dangling eyeball and multiple broken teeth sticking out.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#63050: Oct 4th 2016 at 12:36:06 PM

See, that's what I watch these shows and movies for.

Superpowered people caving each other's faces in.

Or in the case of Luge Cage's tailend, caving each other's sternums in.

edited 4th Oct '16 12:36:43 PM by Anomalocaris20

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