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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#62951: Oct 2nd 2016 at 4:55:04 PM

So what do the Infinity Stones do in the MCU again?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#62952: Oct 2nd 2016 at 5:00:41 PM

They make things go boom.

My various fanfics.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#62953: Oct 2nd 2016 at 5:19:19 PM

They let you shoot different-flavored energy beams.

  • Spatial Strawberry
  • Temporal Tangerine
  • Soul Starfruit
  • Mind Mango
  • Power Passionfruit
  • Reality Raspberry

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
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#62954: Oct 2nd 2016 at 5:49:38 PM

Wait, why did that scene make him cry?

Because he's a hilarious man. It's in the outtakes on the DVD. Joss walks on set during the filming crying, "EVERYBODY STOP FIGHTING!!!"

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#62955: Oct 2nd 2016 at 6:07:40 PM

Ohhh. I thought it was a frustration with production thing.

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#62956: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:51:35 PM

[up][up][up]And together, they turn Rhodey into Captain Planet.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#62957: Oct 2nd 2016 at 8:00:09 PM

See, I don't think Loki was improvising much in Thor, mainly because Hiddleston's performance gave me the impression that he knew all along about his Ice Giant heritage, so revealing that he knew to Odin when he did, and in the way he did, was a deliberate attempt to trigger the Odinsleep, getting pops out of the way so he would be free to have the Ice Giants attack Asgard, giving him a pretext for wiping them out.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#62958: Oct 2nd 2016 at 8:01:36 PM

...Doesn't Reality include the other five by default?

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#62959: Oct 2nd 2016 at 8:35:03 PM

True, but I think it can do stuff that the other five can't.

Oh God! Natural light!
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#62960: Oct 2nd 2016 at 9:22:06 PM

I thought it just allowed travel through dimensions and universes in the comics.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#62961: Oct 2nd 2016 at 9:50:52 PM

I finished up to episode 12.

I'm not sure which is funnier: Claire stomping on Shades' shades, Zip walking in wearing sunglasses pretending to be Shades and getting yelled at, or Shades killing Zip then taking the sunglasses as a trophy.

That or Luke sealing Turk into a dumpster, but that's unrelated.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#62962: Oct 2nd 2016 at 9:54:03 PM

Shades being a guy named Shades whose gimmick is wearing shades all the time is such a 70's concept that it's funny all unto itself.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#62963: Oct 2nd 2016 at 9:56:53 PM

You know who I just realized he reminds me of?

Shades: How can I help you, King StokesStokesStokes?
Cottonmouth: I need a gun that can clobbah dat dere Cage!
Shades: That's what we do best here at Diamondback Arms!
Zip: You better get it with a money-back guarantee!

edited 2nd Oct '16 9:59:10 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#62964: Oct 2nd 2016 at 10:30:10 PM

Oh my god, I totally see it.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#62965: Oct 2nd 2016 at 10:46:44 PM

...I don't get it.

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FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
Philosophy Enthusiast
#62966: Oct 2nd 2016 at 11:00:05 PM

[up] It's a reference to this (00:20):

edited 2nd Oct '16 11:00:29 PM by FoxBoxKid

Make mine Marvel.
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#62967: Oct 2nd 2016 at 11:11:01 PM

Ah, okay.

Kinda loses some of the appeal if it doesn't rhyme.

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#62968: Oct 3rd 2016 at 7:50:26 AM

See, I don't think Loki was improvising much in Thor, mainly because Hiddleston's performance gave me the impression that he knew all along about his Ice Giant heritage, so revealing that he knew to Odin when he did, and in the way he did, was a deliberate attempt to trigger the Odinsleep, getting pops out of the way so he would be free to have the Ice Giants attack Asgard, giving him a pretext for wiping them out.

I never got that impression. Right before his argument with Odin, we see him experimenting with the Casket of Eternal Winters - turning his skin blue to see what the Frost Giant contact had shown him before. And when he flips out on Odin, it's so full of raw emotion that it's impossible for me to take it as anything but genuine.

Sure, you could argue that he as faking every emotion, but his shocked behavior upon learning he's a Frost Giant and that he takes his own initiative to confirm the truth before screaming at Odin over it communicates pretty well that this is a brand new discovery for him. Loki never comes off as a devious mastermind who is in control of every little thing.

Similarly, he constantly makes mistakes. He leaves Heimdall in charge of the Bifrost because it just doesn't occur to him that he might betray him. Why does he do this? Because he trusts Heimdall. End of the day, he's doing what he thinks is best for Asgard and he thinks his friends and colleagues will support him.

He's also entirely content with Thor's banishment. He doesn't want Thor returning because he's afraid Thor's claim to the throne will supercede his and get in the way, but he doesn't seem to have any particular malice towards his brother either. He only sends the Destroyer after him once his mom points out that the banishment was totally a Secret Test of Character and Thor's going to be home before y'know it.

And even then, he hesitates to actually kill Thor when the opportunity is presented. After Thor makes his impassioned plea, Loki turns the Destroyer around to bring it home. It's a last-second impulse that makes him go, "No, I really need to stop this here," resulting in the Destroyer whirling back around and backhanding Thor.

Nothing about his behavior screams "Devious evil mastermind in complete control of all circumstances who has carefully calculated every aspect of the plot and manipulated all players in accordance with the grand design." Loki's cunning and builds his plan on the move, but I don't believe for a second that the Loki who secretly released Jotuns into Odin's Vault was already plotting the annihilation of their planet.

He only came up with destroying Jotunheim out of desperation after learning the truth, because he believed his father could never truly love him as a Jotun. In the end, it was never even about the throne of Asgard. It was about proving that he was as worthy a son as Thor - a motive nakedly shown when he tries to lift Mjolnir just before departing Midgard.

edited 3rd Oct '16 7:52:32 AM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#62969: Oct 3rd 2016 at 7:53:44 AM

Loki is the god of Lies, not the god of cunning...that isn't exactly the same. Loki's downfall is that he constantly hides his true persona from the world, he even lies to himself. He honestly believes in The Avengers that Thor pushed him down the bifrost, but we all know that this isn't what happened.

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#62970: Oct 3rd 2016 at 8:21:58 AM

Yes, the human capacity for selective memory and interpretive self-delusion is rather impressive, and Loki's is definitely just as well developed if not moreso.

edited 3rd Oct '16 8:22:10 AM by TobiasDrake

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RulerOfImagineverse Since: Sep, 2016
#62971: Oct 3rd 2016 at 2:23:05 PM

Anyone see the new Dr. Strnage tv spot with COL and him failing magic?

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#62972: Oct 3rd 2016 at 2:28:36 PM

This one? Won't embed for some reason.

edited 3rd Oct '16 2:31:05 PM by Unsung

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#62973: Oct 3rd 2016 at 8:36:51 PM

I finished Luke Cage.

That was a shocker of a finale.

Now I'm hoping that The Defenders opens with Matt defending Luke in court, just like Claire promised.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#62974: Oct 4th 2016 at 12:28:19 AM

[up] Either that or they do a flashback showing off the first meet between those two...I would feel cheated if we don't get to see it on screen.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#62975: Oct 4th 2016 at 3:49:36 AM

Given how great Matt is at his job, I'm hoping Claire was really talking about Foggy. But it's definitely a good setup for Defenders either way.

Did you guys see the flyer advertising Colleen Wing's dojo Claire was studying briefly in the finale? I hope she'll get self defense classes in Iron Fist.


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