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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#62926: Oct 1st 2016 at 4:35:46 AM

You know Turk...he is always back on the street immediately.

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#62927: Oct 1st 2016 at 8:13:25 AM

[up] Ain't no door yet that can keep Turk Barret back!

Crow: There's a plot?
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#62928: Oct 1st 2016 at 10:59:41 AM

Doesn't Luke Cage take place before Daredevil season 2?

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#62929: Oct 1st 2016 at 11:01:59 AM

I think at least part of it takes place during it.

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#62930: Oct 1st 2016 at 11:15:22 AM

I though that it was good, but not as good as it could have been. The cast was great (Misty Knight is awesome), the music is great, the look of it is great, etc. But there were some storytelling choices that hurt it imo, and they kind of fumbled the ending I thought.

Overall, I'd rank it behind DD season 1 and JJ, but ahead of DD season 2 (which really started to go downhill once it shifted focus to Elektra and The Hand).

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#62931: Oct 1st 2016 at 11:26:52 AM

[up][up]

Clare Temple leaves Hell's Kitchen in Episode 11 of Daredevil Season 2, and arrives in Harlem in Episode 5 of Luke Cage. So probably everything after episode 7 or 8 of Luke Cage is after the end of Daredevil Season 2.

edited 1st Oct '16 11:27:06 AM by Falrinn

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#62932: Oct 1st 2016 at 11:43:43 AM

[up] Daredevil ends at Christmas, so I guess Luke Cage is set somewhere inbetween (the end of Daredevil is a confusing mess timeline-wise, since the show starts in a freaking heatwave and then it is suddenly winter).

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#62933: Oct 1st 2016 at 11:53:23 AM

[up] Heatwave could take place in August/September. The rest of the season could probably be realistically dragged out for a few months.

edited 1st Oct '16 11:53:45 AM by yellowturtle

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#62934: Oct 1st 2016 at 11:54:55 AM

[up] Perhaps, I'll have to try to figure it out...this would be easier if there were at least one proper date in either of those shows, but they didn't let one slip since they revealed the day Reva died.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#62935: Oct 1st 2016 at 11:56:49 AM

They're lawyers. Just getting to Frank's trial probably takes at least a month even if it was expedited. I felt like the show did a pretty decent job of showing the change in seasons just through what people were wearing. I mean, yeah, it's still kind of a mess in other ways, but I didn't have too much a problem with the way the passage of time was communicated.

edited 1st Oct '16 11:58:48 AM by Unsung

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#62936: Oct 1st 2016 at 12:16:00 PM

[up] Frank's trial was rushed. It started explicitly "next week" after they tried to cut a deal for him.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#62937: Oct 1st 2016 at 12:28:02 PM

Did it? Well, that would be weird, then. It wasn't just his hearing? I haven't seen season 2 since it came out. At the time, I got the impression that the first four episodes were only a couple days, then a month to six weeks to the trial, a few weeks of that, a few weeks with Frank in prison until he could escape... I don't know. It didn't seem out of the question that that could take them all the way into late fall/early winter, if not the official calendar first day of winter.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#62938: Oct 1st 2016 at 1:14:12 PM

[up] I first thought so too, but between Matt's wounds being a various states of healing, and some very specific "tomorrow", "Yesterday" and "next week", there isn't really a lot of room for time jumps unless they happen at the very end when Matt and Foggy start to drift apart.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#62939: Oct 1st 2016 at 2:59:53 PM

Claire talks about the already-autopsied ninja in one of her first scenes here (though not her FIRST scene; that was all sorts of awesome) so it has to take place after Daredevil S2, at least for the most part.

Turk's timeline is confusing but that's fine, he's Turk Barrett. He goes wherever he pleases whenever he pleases. Time and space hold no meaning to him.

edited 1st Oct '16 3:00:51 PM by Anomalocaris20

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RulerOfImagineverse Since: Sep, 2016
#62940: Oct 1st 2016 at 3:47:38 PM

TURK! is funny. I want Shocker to be Queen's Turk.

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#62941: Oct 1st 2016 at 3:55:10 PM

I want him to be Stilt-Man someday.

Crow: There's a plot?
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#62942: Oct 1st 2016 at 5:18:07 PM

I think I want Turk to never get super powers, and just keep living in a world that's way too big for him.

I don't particularly want him to ever become sympathetic either, because his introductory scene was him being complicit in human sex trafficking.

But I'd like to seem him have a hard time for the rest of the MCU because he doesn't know how to life reasonably.

RulerOfImagineverse Since: Sep, 2016
#62943: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:30:29 AM

So after re-looking at the Mind Stone's abilities, what do you think about this? If the stone can link person's A consciousness with person's B consciousness then what do you think about Thanos influencing it?

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edited 2nd Oct '16 7:33:04 AM by RulerOfImagineverse

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#62944: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:40:23 AM

As a general rule I tend to dislike the "Loki was brainwashed" theory because as much as I love the character, I hate the Authors Saving Throws that try to position him as an innocent victim who did nothing wrong.

I do however like the idea that Thanos had the A.I. in there as a failsafe to make Loki obedient in case he tried to bolt and just take the scepter for himself. Makes Thanos look somewhat less incompetent than he's been portrayed as so far.

edited 2nd Oct '16 7:40:47 AM by comicwriter

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#62945: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:43:37 AM

An easy handwave is if the Mind Stone was only magnifying what was already there.

At least on the subtle not direct mind control influence thing.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#62946: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:45:13 AM

I actually don't want to know what exactly went on in Loki's head during the Avengers...I like to keep guessing. But I would be very disappointed if he doesn't team up with the Avengers to defeat Thanos. And then we can guess if he is actually a hidden hero or only acted out of self-interest. That is the fun of the character, to never be able to pin him down.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#62947: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:45:49 AM

The Mind Stone doesn't really do direct mind control unless we see people with the glowing eyes. I think it's more like a subtle influence.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#62948: Oct 2nd 2016 at 10:55:33 AM

I don't think there's any need to explain Loki's behavior during The Avengers, because until then we'd barely even seen the real Loki. During Thor, the only glimpse we got of his real personality was his Motive Rant at the end. The rest of the time, Loki was constantly lying to everyone around him as part of his plan, so nothing he said or did during that time can be treated as sincere.

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#62949: Oct 2nd 2016 at 2:37:32 PM

Even with the glowing eyes, it only influences a person's goals. Their personality and identity is still intact. It shifts loyalties; it does not fundamentally change who you are.

Under the Mind Gem's influence, Clint Barton was still a highly-skilled espionage agent and ace sniper capable of skillfully deconstructing an enemy's defenses. We even see Loki defer to Barton's strategic experience.

  • Loki: Tell me what you need.
  • Barton: All I need is a target. And an eyeball....

Dr. Selvig, likewise, had all of his personality quirks and his brilliant scientific mind completely intact, right up to the point of including a failsafe killswitch in the portal that I'm sure Loki did not ask for, but that no self-respecting engineer would exclude if left to his own devices.

Now, Loki himself did not have glowing blue eyes in the film which means he was not being directly controlled. However, as we see in the scene where the in-fighting made Joss Whedon cry, the scepter still influences people's emotional states even when it hasn't rewritten their loyalties. Having more direct exposure to the thing than anyone else, it's very likely that Loki himself was being manipulated in this fashion.

The main argument against Loki being under its sway is that it's his scepter. That in the aforementioned scene, it was doing what it did to carry out his will. Because he has control over it. But the reveal of the Scepter AI demolishes the ground that argument has to stand on and makes it entirely within the realm of possibility that the scepter, not Loki, was the one who was truly in charge.

[up] Loki's more sincere in {{Film/Thor}] than some give him credit for. He spends a lot of that movie improvising as his objectives change and new information arises. He never really had a plan, so much as

  • Prank some fools.
  • ???
  • Daddy loves me.

Much like Obadiah Stane, it does him too much credit to claim that everything that happened was part of his grand scheme. He was quite clever, but he spends half the movie flailing to keep up.

edited 2nd Oct '16 2:40:25 PM by TobiasDrake

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#62950: Oct 2nd 2016 at 4:51:35 PM

Wait, why did that scene make him cry?

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