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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#62876: Sep 29th 2016 at 10:31:43 AM

I guess I was referring to the DC ones, yeah. I can't think of any actual Marvel gorilla supervillains.

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#62877: Sep 29th 2016 at 10:33:18 AM

"In addition to Killmonger's own abilities, Killmonger is always served by his deadly cat, Preyy and the Death Regiments, zombie-like soldiers created by the Altar of Resurrection."

Okay now THIS I'd love to see realized and made believable in the context of the MCU. Soul Stone necromancy, maybe?

FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
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#62878: Sep 29th 2016 at 10:35:51 AM

I understand why some have reservations about the Man-Ape, but I think they're being a little overly cautious. I didn't even notice the Unfortunate Implications until people started talking about it. I highly doubt we'll see a man dressed like a gorilla as a villain in the MCU anyway, so the point is probably moot.

edited 29th Sep '16 10:36:04 AM by FoxBoxKid

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#62879: Sep 29th 2016 at 10:46:25 AM

Grodd and Gorilla City, the Ultra-Humanite, Monsieur Mallah... DC actually has a *lot* of intelligent gorillas, for some reason.

I guess there's this: ...whatever this is.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#62880: Sep 29th 2016 at 10:48:18 AM

Technically not an ape, but Hit-Monkey is simian at the very least.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#62881: Sep 29th 2016 at 10:57:59 AM

I think there are machine-gun wielding gorillas in the first Winter Soldier solo, but I don't know who they're working for (Doom, probably?).

[up][up] Marvel writers really smoke a lot of interesting stuff, don't they.

edited 29th Sep '16 10:59:16 AM by hollygoolightly

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#62883: Sep 29th 2016 at 11:58:42 AM

Not a villain, but there is a Gorilla Man. He's one of the Agents of Atlas.

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#62884: Sep 29th 2016 at 12:12:33 PM

Yeah. Marvel's intelligent super-gorilla is a hero because Marvel isn't speciesist like DC. tongue

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#62886: Sep 29th 2016 at 1:19:56 PM

I think I read somewhere once that the reason why DC has so many Gorilla characters is because there was once an issue with a gorilla on the cover which sold exceptionally well (nope, I am not making that one up).

Considering that Disney is STILL getting flak for King Louie because too many people assume he is named after Louis Armstrong when he in fact was voiced by Louis Prima, the king of Swing (exactly because Disney was well aware of the potential unfortunate implication if they pick a black voice actor in this case), I see a giant landmine there....a good thing that Marvel picked a director which has proven in the past to be able to handle such subjects and can hardly be accused of racism.

RulerOfImagineverse Since: Sep, 2016
#62888: Sep 29th 2016 at 2:16:50 PM

The thing about Man-Ape is his tribe culture. The Jabari tribe live in the outskirts of Wakanda called Crystal Forest, where trees glossen like glass and the weather always freezes. There are gorillas there, which they worship. The head gorilla figure , simply called Gorilla God, is always at odds with Bast. If Wakandas are in full control of the land then they would try their best to renounce the Gorilla God. Panther worshipers hence are portrayed as fundamentalists. This tension between the two tribes is powerful. How M‘Baku fits into all of this will take more time for me to explain, nonetheless he does have his own society he helms from that is conflicted with how pro Panthers live. Yes the fact M‘Baku, a black man, dresses as an ape and worships one sounds racist though it's only because Roy Thomas tried to make him equally as nunanced as the rest of Wakanda's history. Associating black people with ape anything is wrong. Giving M'Baku his own history to pull from for motivation is right. So... the challenge remains. How to do the same in live action without blacks being ape fanatics.

Perhaps the Jabari hate outsiders. Que Bucky and Steve. His anger is unleashed upon the sole person responsible.

edited 29th Sep '16 2:28:02 PM by RulerOfImagineverse

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#62889: Sep 29th 2016 at 3:09:12 PM

They can keep most of it the same, just eliminate direct references to gorillas. Stick to callng them the Jabari tribe, have them be mentioned as religious heretics and conservatives while dropping references to the Gorilla totem, and so on.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#62890: Sep 29th 2016 at 3:12:03 PM

[up][up] Given the order of the casting announcements, and the fact that Michael B. Jordan is a more well-known actor, I'm reasonably sure Killmonger will be the main villain (or one of the main villains), with M'Baku playing more of a supporting role, which likely means his background will not be as elaborate as it is in the comics (especially if he will be a more important character in later installments, where it could be revealed in a more in-depth way).

I'm sure that Bucky being in Wakanda will raise the ire of T'Challa's enemies somehow. Steve is not in Wakanda I think, given that he warned T'Challa that "they" would come for "him" (that is, Bucky) and not "us".

edited 29th Sep '16 3:13:49 PM by hollygoolightly

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#62891: Sep 29th 2016 at 3:47:05 PM

Gorilla God

I had to. tongue[lol]

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#62892: Sep 29th 2016 at 3:53:16 PM

[up] Every time I watch something with Clancy Brown, he gets killed...

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#62893: Sep 29th 2016 at 4:07:17 PM

I originally thought Clancy Brown was voicing both Eiling and Grodd, and we were going to get some sort of composite character of Grodd and the General. And I thought that was *awesome*.

The general doesn't actually die in this episode, though.

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#62896: Sep 29th 2016 at 4:30:53 PM

He got shot by the Punisher.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#62897: Sep 29th 2016 at 4:38:13 PM

But he's still gonna give Flash some trouble later. And he knows his identity.

Not even the Punisher could save that.

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#62899: Sep 29th 2016 at 8:24:21 PM

Huh. He played Sasquatch.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#62900: Sep 29th 2016 at 9:41:17 PM

I'm rather annoyed at myself that I didn't notice he was Dogpound and Odin.

I'm ashamed of myself.

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