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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#62751: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:38:42 AM

@Bocaj

To be fair, adapting the whole "superglued mask" accident directly would've been kind of........."camp" for the standards of the MCU. Though giving him noble status, a sword, and a balaclava should've been a staple.

edited 28th Sep '16 10:44:35 AM by nervmeister

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#62752: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:39:17 AM

What you describe is a Microverse-threatening Vader-style cyborg supervillain. Jocasta has no particular connection to the Microverse, is not a cyborg, and most importantly, is not a villain. The only way she'd be Jocasta is by calling her Jocasta, but then you suggested not even doing that much, which leaves her with no distinguishing characteristic marking her as Jocasta whatsoever.

Well, they did do something like that with Kurse.

Nah, just kidding. I despised what they did with Kurse.

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#62753: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:40:17 AM

For the record, I also think that Falcon should have the ability to talk to birds.

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#62754: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:42:08 AM

[up][up][up]His family could still have been noble before the rise of communism. And I wouldn't be surprised if he does have his face burned in a chemical accident, even if not necessarily to the same extent as the comics version.

Why, he could even still wear his X the Eliminator mask/hood. It might not be fuschia, though.

edited 28th Sep '16 10:43:08 AM by Unsung

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#62755: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:46:41 AM

I feel like they did a good job of adapting Zemo's masterful intelligence and manipulative savvy, as well as his character arc of seeking to avenge his family honor.

The biggest departure Zemo had was not being associated with Hydra which, to be honest, was for the best. In the comics, Hydra has a bit of a leadership overflow problem. There's the Red Skull, who's largely defined as THE Hydra lord and master. Like, that's his whole shtick. He runs Hydra.

Then there's Strucker, the other Hydra leader. The poor man's Red Skull.

There's Viper, the female Hydra leader for when you want your Red Skull to have another X chromosome.

And then there's Zemo, the other OTHER Hydra leader who's brilliant and clever and runs the Thunderbolts and the Masters of Evil and all these other things unrelated to Hydra but is also technically a Hydra leader. Ultimately, Hydra doesn't really need Zemo and Zemo doesn't really need Hydra either.

edited 28th Sep '16 10:47:18 AM by TobiasDrake

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#62756: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:47:36 AM

[up][up][up]Hank Pym might supply him with some specialized tech for that later.

[up]To be fair though, putting new leaders in place of the former when they've been compromised plus establishing new specialized HYDRA branches to adapt to the changing landscape of the MCU fits with the whole "Cut off one head....." motif.

edited 28th Sep '16 10:52:20 AM by nervmeister

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#62757: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:49:26 AM

Plus they can't keep making the threat of HYDRA be a major antagonistic force in all of their movies, even given that Captain America's series is about deals with him and HYDRA. They knew we were expecting it and gave us a fake-out.

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#62758: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:51:24 AM

There's Viper, the female Hydra leader for when you want your Red Skull to have another X chromosome.

I thought that was Sin as Red Skull. tongue

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#62759: Sep 28th 2016 at 11:43:39 AM

I love when someone uses "how dare you" as part of their argument.

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#62760: Sep 28th 2016 at 11:45:21 AM

That wasn't an argument, it was an emotional response. He was expressing the fact that he felt hurt. The correct response to that is empathy, not judgmental condescension.

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#62762: Sep 28th 2016 at 11:50:41 AM

New topic.

I have to admit, I've become more and more convinced that Tony is the worst thing to happen to the Avengers ever.

Because he's got so many issues, and people with grudges against him, that it affects the team.

When he messes up, it's spectacular, and even when things aren't his fault, he's still taking the blame, which leads to more people with grudges against him.

The best thing he can do for both Stark Industries and The Avengers......actually, I was gonna say he should just disappear and remove himself from the board, but he did that, and he still had people walking up to him and telling him the death of their children was his fault (which it kinda was) and then Zemo's plan pulled him out of retirement anyway so that he could take his shot (though Zemo was going after the Avengers as a whole).

Hell, this has been a problem as far back as Iron Man 2 with Vanko being willing to hurt a lot of people to get to him. Now, all these guys made their own choices, and chose to kill people to get at Tony, but without Tony, would any of them have even been a threat in the first place?

So Tony Stark: Biggest shit stirrer in history.

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#62763: Sep 28th 2016 at 11:51:36 AM

That's more a consequence of the universe revolving around your highest paid actor.

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#62764: Sep 28th 2016 at 11:53:01 AM

I consider 'how dare you' to be Inherently Funny Words, so I genuinely am tickled pink whenever someone says them, regardless of the context.

edited 28th Sep '16 11:54:22 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#62765: Sep 28th 2016 at 11:53:02 AM

@Tobias Drake

I wasn't being entirely serious about the whole thing, though I was still a tad genuinely passionate (and shocked) about it. But otherwise, my skin is like a bank vault.

edited 28th Sep '16 11:53:38 AM by nervmeister

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#62766: Sep 28th 2016 at 11:55:45 AM

That's more a consequence of the universe revolving around your highest paid actor.

That's a fair meta reason I suppose.

Hell, even in the Comics, I think Tony is proving to be more trouble then he's worth. He's about to be involved in another Super Hero Civil War. I don't even think it matters that he's right this time (or if he was right the first time), nor should it matter to civilians. Tony Stark is fucking trouble, and staying away from him should be everyone's priority.

And this from someone who doesn't hate him, and thinks Iron Man is awesome too.

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#62767: Sep 28th 2016 at 11:57:44 AM

It's not really judgmental condesencion so much as it is amusement, like I plainly stated. I don't have anything against the poster or their ideas, I just love exaggerated responses like that.

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#62768: Sep 28th 2016 at 12:10:21 PM

Okay. Just making sure everyone's cool. Being friendly, polite, and civil is the best thing about this place and what separates us from so many other parts of the internet.

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#62769: Sep 28th 2016 at 12:11:48 PM

And now, back to Tony Stark: the cause of all our problems.tongue

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#62770: Sep 28th 2016 at 12:13:06 PM

But he did invent the sport of drunk skeet shooting with an Iron Man suit. That's a pretty significant contribution.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#62771: Sep 28th 2016 at 12:16:31 PM

I sure someone lost an eye when he was doing that. Which means more people seeking revenge.

So Tony fucks up again!evil grin

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#62772: Sep 28th 2016 at 12:21:44 PM

Tony was gone from the Avengers for five minutes before Captain America pissed off the entire world with the bungled Lagos mission. He built Vision, came up with the plan to destroy the Sokovia meteor, destroyed the Chitauri mothership to abruptly end the invasion, etc.

Hell, by destroying the Stark weapons sold under the table and shutting down Stark Industries's weapons manufacturing, Tony even managed to defeat Tony Stark, the greatest threat the Marvel U has ever known.

I'm not saying he's NOT responsible for everything that goes wrong. I'm saying that he tends to be instrumental in everything being solved too. He does not DRINK alcohol, he IS alcohol: the cause of and solution to all of life's problems.

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#62773: Sep 28th 2016 at 12:26:36 PM

Alcohol is a solution AND a solution.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#62774: Sep 28th 2016 at 12:29:34 PM

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I completely agree with you.

It doesn't matter. People will continue to view him as an asshole, seek to make him pay, and hurt others in the process.

The funniest thing is....Ultron wasn't Tony's fault. It wasn't Wanda's fault either. As we pointed out a while back, Ultron was something hidden in the Mind Stone, and might have happened if anyone tried what he was trying.

But the guys on the street don't know that. All they hear is: bad things happen and Tony Stark is involved. He's got so much bad PR at this point that he could...I don't know fly a nuke fired by his own government on New York into a Wormhole and still be seen as an arrogant asshole by everyone.

Oh...wait...

edited 28th Sep '16 12:29:44 PM by HandsomeRob

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#62775: Sep 28th 2016 at 12:32:46 PM

Yeah, Tony got screwed on Ultron. It would have been nice to see more development of Tony and Bruce pointing out that Ultron could not possibly have been successful in the short timespan from the constant failures they were having. Investigating the "We weren't even CLOSE to a successful trial" point he raises in the initial argument, and maybe discovering something that helps him to get Vision done right.

We'll file that next to "Wanda's trial" for things that would have been nice to see in Age of Ultron.

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