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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
The scenario could end happily if they can reverse what happened to her. Maybe by successfully manipulating the quantum realm, a place where "time has no meaning" to "rewind" her back to her human form. Anyways, I think "Jocasta Van Dyne" would be a good antagonist. It would be the best spiritual nod possible to both Ultron and villain Hank (both as Yellowjacket and as a fused form of himself and Ultron),
edited 28th Sep '16 9:27:11 AM by nervmeister
And you'll get her - only in a more Darth Vader-ish sort of way. Come on. It's an awesome idea. And like I said, she doesn't have to die at the end. Marvel can easily set it up so she can be cured via Science and become "Wasp Sr." once again. Or maybe, she stays in her Jocasta form, but comes to her senses through willpower and joins up with the Avengers.
edited 28th Sep '16 9:51:25 AM by nervmeister
Marvel already has a Jocasta. It's another one of Stark's AI programs like J.A.R.V.I.S. and F.R.I.D.A.Y. We see it briefly during Age of Ultron when Stark's picking out his new AI to replace J.A.R.V.I.S.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.So is calling Janet "Jocasta". She's not Jocasta. She's never been Jocasta. Jocasts is not a superhero alter-ego, it's a robot. So if she has nothing to do with the comic version of Jocasta and she isn't called Jocasta then she's not Jocasta.
That's essentially taking an In Name Only adaptation and removing the Name.
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And I suppose Fake-darin, Baron Zemo, Stark-Tron, and whatever kind of mishmash Darren Cross is are all more spot-on adaptations than that? Emil Blonsky is NEVER called "Abomination" (even Sterns only uses the word to describe what could go wrong; not as a codename proper). So it's fair and dandy.
edited 28th Sep '16 9:58:22 AM by nervmeister
By definition, yes, because they are actually called the Mandarin, Zemo, and Ultron. Even if we discount the fact that they're actually pretty decent adaptations, an In Name Only adaptation would still be a more accurate adaptation than a Nothing-To-Do-With-The-Character-Not-Even-The-Name one.
She's not Jocasta, she doesn't look or act or share even the remotest similar trait to Jocasta, and she's not called Jocasta. In what way would this constitute an adaptation of Jocasta?
Jimmy Olsen from BVS was a more accurate representation of the character than that.
edited 28th Sep '16 9:59:20 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I still think the "villain" of Ant Man and the Wasp should be Hank himself, and his increasingly obsessive attempts to bring Janet back which cause increasingly dramatic problems, with the idea that he succeeds at the serious risk of (figuratively) losing his soul, Mr. Freeze style.
The key is to have him legitimately go through Sanity Slippage and have him remain sympathetic throughout, rather than doing the bit where they reveal he was Evil All Along or simply throw him into the supervillain character type or something along those lines (which, admittedly, the MCU and Superhero movies in general aren't that great at doing).
edited 28th Sep '16 10:05:12 AM by KnownUnknown
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If they do rescue Janet, then I'd expect something more like How To Train Your Dragon 2, where she's not really evil, just...changed. Between Janet and her husband, I'd actually expect Hank to be the one to go off the deep end, losing his grip in his desperation to bring her back, possibly going mad himself as he searches the quantum realm for her. There's precedent for Hank Pym being consumed by his past mistakes, and this Hank in particular seems to have a real weakness for his family.
I also wouldn't be surprised to see some version of Egghead. Wasn't framing Ant-Man for treason at one point his greatest success? Given that Scott's already an international fugitive right now...
This would be another good one for Taskmaster. I'd also like to see the Ghost. Maybe we could also have Eric O'Grady (Irredeemable Ant-Man) turn up in some capacity.
edited 28th Sep '16 10:38:36 AM by Unsung
You know what? How dare you say Aldrich Killian (the scientist who fucking killed himself in the comics) and some Sokovian operative (who'd have been better off as an original character like Pierce) are better spiritual adaptations than my proposal. HOW DARE YOU. My adaptation beats those by a country mile! I shouldn't be typing this hard, but I'm absolutely bewildered you turn your nose up at my idea while being all gaga for ZINO and IM 3's April Fool's joke.
EDIT: Jimmy Olsen!? JIMMY OLSEN!!!? I dont- I dont even-.........**takes deep breath** Tobias, I will get over this and continue to enjoy conversing with you, but right now you are killing me. You know that scene from E.T. where the alien turns pale with his life signs failing. That's what I'm going through now after what I've just heard from you. Do you hate E.T, Tobias? Do you hate love, kittens and brilliant adaptations from your's truly. **starts to cry**
edited 28th Sep '16 10:23:39 AM by nervmeister
It is a shame how they adapted Zemo.
I for one wanted to see a dude who accidentally glued a mask to his own face terrorize New York with super glue.
Pretty good adaptation of his son's mastermindy tendencies though.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersYou never know, he's still alive. He's locked up, but we all know how effective supervillain prisons always end up being. He actually might end up getting something glued or burned on to his face later down the line.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."As far as I can tell, MCU!Pierce is a composite of three comic book characters- the comics Pierce as well as two of the Red Skulls, Aleksander Lukin (note the first name) and the more famous Skull when he used the Dell Rusk identity.
So like his SHIELD role comes from Pierce, his Villain with Good Publicity from "Rusk", and his control of the Winter Soldier from Lukin.
And with Zemo, he definitely has his counterpart's calculated planning and some of the accompanying self-regard. Also, I'm a fan of the Janice Lincoln Beetle, and from what I've read about her introduction in a Brubaker comic, Zemo was involved in a reasonably similar plot involving framing Bucky for terrorism. MCU!Zemo just has less Dickinson motives.
edited 28th Sep '16 10:38:46 AM by Hodor2
Jimmy Olsen was a terrible adaptation but that's my point. Literally the only thing he had going for him was that he was named Jimmy Olsen and even that was just a mean-spirited dick move by Zack Snyder.
What you describe is a Microverse-threatening Vader-style cyborg supervillain. Jocasta has no particular connection to the Microverse, is not a cyborg, and most importantly, is not a villain. The only way she'd be Jocasta is by calling her Jocasta, but then you suggested not even doing that much, which leaves her with no distinguishing characteristic marking her as Jocasta whatsoever.
Under this suggestion, like Jimmy, she would only be identifiable as Jocasta through cast interviews and maybe the credits page. And it would possibly be even more of a dick move than Zack Snyder killing off Jimmy was, because it would ruin not one but two great female protagonists - and Marvel doesn't have enough of those to spare.
T'Challa all but turns a knowing smile and wink to the camera about Zemo coming back with the line, "The world is not done with you yet."
edited 28th Sep '16 10:38:36 AM by TobiasDrake
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That seems like it'd be a bit of a slap in the face after all this time.
I kinda wanna see them use Atlas or Egghead.