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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#62702: Sep 27th 2016 at 8:45:01 PM

Whatev. Just as long as Black Widow gets to ply her trade and the director's not too bad, I won't cry.

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#62704: Sep 27th 2016 at 8:50:40 PM

Fifthed. When Whedon is on, he's on - but he hasn't been on as much as I'd like lately, and I frequently find that the guy really isn't as good at writing female characters as he thinks he is.

But yeah, Black Widow: Secret Invasion would be a pretty good premise for a movie. I don't even particularly want a Black Widow movie, but that would still get my attention.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#62705: Sep 27th 2016 at 9:14:20 PM

I am mostly tired of people calling Doctor Strange Inception like. Inception has one scene with a folding City...one! What we have seen in the trailers so far is way more impressive. Not to mention that Nolan lifted his ideas for Inception from various sources...there is a little Matrix in it, a LOT of Paprika, and a lot of Doctor Strange comic elements. So is anyone claims that Doctor Strange is like Inception, he has it the wrong way around. I really can't wait (that's sarcasm) by the way for people to complain how similar Doctor Strange' origin is to Batman begins.

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#62706: Sep 27th 2016 at 9:37:02 PM

Enter the Nightwatch?

edited 27th Sep '16 9:37:22 PM by TargetmasterJoe

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#62707: Sep 27th 2016 at 9:55:13 PM

It won't be that similar to...Hm. Well, at least it seems like they're going out of their way to set a very different tone.

People do make too much out of the folding city comparison, though. Aside from not being that much of the movie, the idea is a good one and it's awesome to see more being done with it. Escher would be proud.

[up]...Was this guy created before or after Todd Mc Farlane left Spider-Man?

edited 27th Sep '16 11:57:41 PM by Unsung

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#62708: Sep 27th 2016 at 11:56:48 PM

I highly, highly doubt that Nightwatch will make an appearance in Spider-Man: Homecoming.

But count me in as someone who would love to see Joss Whedon's Black Widow. No aliens, though, just espionage. And have her team up with Mockingbird and Melinda May. And introduce Kate Bishop.

edited 27th Sep '16 11:57:31 PM by alliterator

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#62709: Sep 28th 2016 at 12:16:25 AM

It's Sony doing this, not Marvel/Disney. Wouldn't that mean this is probably unrelated to Homecoming? I suppose it could figure into Sony's Venom movie, though.

When I started reading the article, gotta admit part of me was hoping it would somehow be related to Night *Thrasher*, what with the Squirrel Girl/New Warriors show that's been talked about. Shortly after Civil War, the Registration Act is on the wind... Although the Nitro incident probably rules him out, huh? Heh.

[up]Black Widow, Maria Hill, Melinda May, Hawkeye, Kate Bishop, and Mockingbird, fightin' some rogue LMDs. Why the hell not?

edited 28th Sep '16 2:24:43 AM by Unsung

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#62710: Sep 28th 2016 at 12:24:19 AM

When imagining what a Black Widow movie would be like, something occurred to me: where do you suppose Natasha lives?

Before the Battle of New York and all of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s files being leaked, she presumably lived either in an ordinary house or apartment on the down low, or she stayed at various S.H.I.E.L.D. facilities. But now that S.H.I.E.L.D. is gone, where is she going to live where she won't be constantly bombarded by people either eager to meet a celebrity or eager to kill her in retaliation for one mission or another that she took part in?

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#62711: Sep 28th 2016 at 12:59:26 AM

She knows a thing or two about how to lay low. Different hair, different makeup, different clothes— a good spy can go far on that (see: Agent Carter) She probably keeps a few safehouses, and there's something to be said for the safety and comfort of any Stark-built Avengers base facility.

How many people really got to see her up close, anyway? Would she have been caught on film during the Battle of New York or running around in Sokovia? Would she be singled out, or just looked at as another SHIELD agent? One wearing a tracksuit straight out of Tron, but even so.

Also she probably doesn't have enemies climbing over her back fence the way Tony does. Mostly because she presumably killed a lot of them.

edited 28th Sep '16 1:09:32 AM by Unsung

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#62712: Sep 28th 2016 at 1:05:50 AM

The Marvel Now Black Widow has her living in a cheap apartment in New York under a false identity. Most of her money goes to charitable causes and aiding families hurt by her actions as a Soviet assassin.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#62713: Sep 28th 2016 at 1:26:36 AM

Natasha only needs another hair colour and most people won't recognize her. Because that's the one thing they pay attention to when it comes to her.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#62714: Sep 28th 2016 at 1:29:39 AM

Scarlett Johansen has had a *lot* of different hairstyles and colours.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#62715: Sep 28th 2016 at 5:55:46 AM

*joins the group of people who want Whedon to stay away from a Black Widow movie, and if possible, Marvel in general*

I think another (ex-) Black Widow would be a good choice for the Big Bad of a Natasha movie - the conflict is different than in Agent Carter, since Peggy was always on the side of the angels, and Dottie falls more into Cute and Psycho territory than genuine villain. And "Who among us is really a Skrull?" might mirror "Who in SHIELD is really HYDRA?" a bit too much.

edited 28th Sep '16 5:58:47 AM by hollygoolightly

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#62716: Sep 28th 2016 at 6:53:49 AM

I am sure that Whedon can add something to the MCU in the future. But he wouldn't my first choice for a Black Widow movie, either, mostly because he would want to write it himself, and I think Marcus and Mc Feely have a way better handle on her character...I would love it if they write the script and the guy who did Goldeneye directs.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#62717: Sep 28th 2016 at 7:53:56 AM

I am mostly tired of people calling Doctor Strange Inception like.

Then they should really stop trying to remind people of Inception with all the marketing.

Follow the Leader exists for a reason. There's no harm in it. Strange is a virtually unknown property and Inception was a massive, critically acclaimed hit. Makes sense to try and give off a similar vibe.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#62718: Sep 28th 2016 at 7:56:22 AM

[up][up][up]

Yelena Belova would probably be the right choice there. Plus she worked for AIM in the comics, so that might be a good opportunity to reintroduce the organization under new leadership that brings it more in line with what the organization in the comics (MODOCK would optional at this stage, though it would certainly open the door for him).

edited 28th Sep '16 7:56:40 AM by Falrinn

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#62719: Sep 28th 2016 at 8:04:05 AM

[up][up][up][up]Naw. Let her take on either Taskmaster or Madame Viper, two villains with higher recognition.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#62720: Sep 28th 2016 at 8:06:19 AM

None of the three are particularly recognizable to begin with, so Yelena would make just as much sense.

Though of course you could always have Yelena working with Taskmaster.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#62721: Sep 28th 2016 at 8:18:48 AM

Inception isn't even the leader. And those posters aren't really have a lot in common once you realize that the Doctor Strange one focusses on the folding reality idea, with Galaxies and everything in the background, while the Inception one focusses on the people in it. The poster of Ironman 3 and Thor TDW were more similar to each other than those two.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#62722: Sep 28th 2016 at 8:23:04 AM

It really is the leader in this instance. If you're going for a movie with crazy kaleidoscope landscape visuals, Inception is gonna be the one the vast majority of people immediately think of.

edited 28th Sep '16 8:23:39 AM by comicwriter

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Doctor of Doctorates
#62723: Sep 28th 2016 at 8:24:01 AM

Regardless of the extent to which Inception did or did not directly inspire any of it, I think the marketing approach with the rules of physics turned off and reality taking a backseat is purely and simply to make the point that this isn't going to be Iron Man with magic instead of technology - this movie is going to be going in some very odd directions.

Oddly this is one I am not entirely sure is going to be a success, though I was amongst those sceptical of Ant-Man amounting to just about anything so my track record isn't great.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#62724: Sep 28th 2016 at 8:30:38 AM

[up] This is the one I am not sure the movie itself will be that good (because of the script writers), but I am sure the actors and the visual effects will make it a success with the audience no matter what. I would prefer it if the movie doesn't proof my theory and is simply good, though.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#62725: Sep 28th 2016 at 9:01:15 AM

Been thinking about who the villain of Antman and Wasp should be. Maybe it should be Janet, who's been severely affected both physically and mentally by her prolonged stay in the quantum realm. They locate her and try to bring her back to full size. When that fails, Hank decides to create an artificial body that her quantum form can "possess". This succeeds, only for things to turn dark when she snaps from abruptly having to re-acclimate to the regular world. She then breaks loose and sets out to try and have the quantum realm overtake the physical world just because it feels more tolerable to her.

edited 28th Sep '16 9:16:35 AM by nervmeister


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