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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
This video pointed out something that people in this thread have complained about, but now I can't remember what it is.
Whatever the case, I'm glad this exists.
Seems like lately, we keep finding things to complain about with these movies.
One Strip! One Strip!Everything Great exists as a reaction to Everything WRONG. Together they make balanace. One is praising (to a excessive, probably) and the other is complaining (to absolute excessive). It's like Yin and Yang.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."The only problem is that Cinema Sins (which does "Everything Wrong With..." videos) often include a bunch of stuff that doesn't make any sense in their videos, stuff that is seriously cleared up if you watch the film or taking away points because of things like "Scarlett Johanssen isn't giving me a lap dance in this scene."
edited 24th Sep '16 9:51:33 AM by alliterator
I generally don't mind Sins, aside from the dude bitching about subjective stuff that isn't actually an objective flaw. Like I generally found his AOU review funny, but he kept bitching about scenes where Avengers he doesn't personally like (namely Black Widow) got to do something to contribute to the plot, and he counted that as a sin. In fact I think one of the last sins he gave it was basically "Hurr hurr why the fuck do the Avengers even need the Falcon all he does is fly."
The Russos on why they ultimately decided not to kill any of the Avengers in Civil War
. Basically what I was saying from the moment the movie was announced; killing one of the heroes in this conflict completely voids the premise of the movie because whichever side did the killing automatically loses any sort of moral high ground or right to seem valid.
edited 24th Sep '16 11:13:36 AM by comicwriter
Or in other words, why Goliath's death completely derailed Civil War despite the writers' attempts to treat it as just another bit of C-List Fodder.
The movie was somewhat muddled about that because they only ever bring it up with regards to the Avengers (it never comes up for Black Panther, Ant-Man or Spider-Man) but there is a deleted scene where they suggest it applies to any sort of "Enhanced" individual. I saw people complaining about AOS creating a Continuity Snarl by having it apply to all Enhanced people but that seems to be what the movie originally intended.
I don't see it affecting the Netflix heroes, though. While I think the vice versa would be alright, I can't really see the movie or AOS stuff being brought into the show without it clashing horribly with the tone.
edited 24th Sep '16 11:21:30 AM by comicwriter
Since AOS doesn't have many Enhanced people in its main cast (just Daisy, really), the Accords are mentioned, but we don't really see them in action that much.
It helps to understand that Enhanced people are already "registered" — SHIELD had something called "the Index," which was a list of all Enhanced people. The Sokovia Accords, on the other hand, were more about how and when to use Enhanced people.
edited 24th Sep '16 11:35:40 AM by alliterator
The confusion is due more to Marvel dropping the ball in Phase 2 in regards to expanding the universe, and instead keeping development centered (Agents of Shield did some worldbuilding in regards to the super-powers situation, but as noted the films by and large ignore the tv shows) - it made sense for the Accords to only apply to the Avengers at the time, because the Avengers were the only living people with superpowers or acting like superheroes/villains on Earth that weren't in jail, dead, or unknown to the public.
So now the universe is about to expand into new directions with new independent superheroes, new groups with powers influencing the world in their own ways, etc and so on, and you have this major ruling that changes everything... but actually only applies to like five people.
I don't think it matters as much as it seems to, though, as it also doesn't make sense the sentiment that led to the Accords would only apply to the Avengers. That the nations of the world's next step is to start cracking down on superhumans and especially superheroes in general now that they're coming out of the woodwork and they've already dealt with the Avengers fits. All it would take is a single mention of the Accords being amended to apply to everyone (or not even - just someone citing the Accords would carry that implication anyway) to allow it to fit more workably in the expanding universe.
And that way we don't get situations like Civil War not influencing the world Spider-Man or Captain Marvel are entering simply because they're not, technically, Avengers. It's already the case with Ant-Man, who isn't an Avenger but was still arrested for the crimes he committed while trying to be a superhero, not presumably because he happened to be with Captain America at the time.
edited 24th Sep '16 12:38:21 PM by KnownUnknown
I think Throwing a Tanker Truck that promptly exploded everywhere counts as a crime.
I am going to be honest, if Wasp had been in The Stinger getting Scott out of there along with Cap, I would've laughed.

IF they brought back Ultron via the stones I'd use the opportunity to make several Authors Saving Throws: Give him the jack-o'-lantern face from the comics, make him less of a jabbering idiot, and make him more menacing so I can actually take him seriously as a threat.
edited 24th Sep '16 7:05:17 AM by comicwriter