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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Vibranium Ultron lasted for as long as it took before the Avengers started seriously trying to destroy it. Once they actually decide to get serious and fire at it it melts in seconds. And then to add insult to injury, he's repeatedly and effortlessly batted around by the Hulk.
edited 23rd Sep '16 9:21:02 PM by KnownUnknown
Maybe if the whole resurrected-theory turns out to be the case, the villains will experience significant Stone-related power boosts to let them do what they will. Skull has teleporting powers and energy beams, Ronan has touch of death, Ultron has the mind manipulation and fleet control powers, and so on.
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The context is "why Thanos bringing Ultron back to fight the Avengers as a physical threat doesn't track" - of which the list was Malekith (also questionable, as he was only a match for Thor when hopped up on Infinity Stone), Ronan and Ultron, and not Loki. It's not "which villain is more badass than the other."
Thanos has even less reason to make Loki fight the Avengers, so I'm not sure why you're using him as a comparison in the first place.
edited 23rd Sep '16 9:24:48 PM by KnownUnknown
Loki wasn't even the main priority of the end fight in The Avengers. He got blown up by one of Hawkeye's arrows and then the Hulk played ragdoll with him. Like, I can see how Ultron is kinda weaksauce, with his bodies being blown up all the time, but he could always hop around into another one. Loki was more of a manipulator who set stuff in motion, he was never a physical threat for them to fight once the Chitauri invaded.
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?If Thanos wants to win, he'll forget about Ultron and bring back Kurse instead.
The first is the OP. The third is the response that triggered the conversation about how strong Ultron was in comparison. It's not "Ultron wasn't a threat to the Avengers at all," it's "Ultron can't keep up with the Avengers powers wise."
edited 23rd Sep '16 9:34:19 PM by KnownUnknown
True, but if he's brought back and controlled as one of Thanos' flunkies those aren't going to be things he can use, not without hijacking the plot of the movie.
edited 23rd Sep '16 9:49:25 PM by KnownUnknown
Same ingredients, different order. Loki killed Coulson first, then has his butt kicked by nearly all the heroes one by one. Ultron had his butt kicked over and over by all the heroes, then killed Quicksilver as an afterthought.
edited 23rd Sep '16 9:51:27 PM by Tuckerscreator
Or (and I would love if this happened), Ultron could be resurrected by Thanos, look at everything was going on, all the Avengers and Guardians ready to try and defeat Thanos, and then go, "Bye!" and vanish. Because of all those villains, Ultron is really the one who knew when he was overpowered, which is why he kept on running away and then showing up again.
Also, then we could get Ultron for any future movies.
edited 23rd Sep '16 10:18:58 PM by alliterator
I wonder how much of a role the accords will play in the defenders.
Anyway I like the idea of thanos pulling back villains but I doubt that he would be able to control ultron. Upside is that ultron is practically not defeat able because in order to even get the proper infinity stone thanos would have to rip it out of visions head first.
I actually had never noticed before that every infinity stone so far sucked in a villain...but then I have actually forgotten what malekith fate was. I just remember thor hacking his body into pieces.
Actually regarding Age of Ultron, I'm a bit bummed that Ultron didn't express any remorse for killing Quicksilver. He liked the twins and it wasn't even Pietro that he was aiming at.
It could almost contribute to a running theme of Ultron doing damage he didn't intend because of anger and impulsiveness.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThat is true. As much as people like to complain about Ultron's "Oh, for God's sake!" moment, it's basically just his version of "Puny god."
Issue is that Ultron is every bit as credible of a threat as Ronan, Malekith, and Red Skull. None of those characters on his or her own would be a threat to the entire Avengers organization. Not one of them. That's why the idea has them working together.
Of the four, Ultron's the most credible because he actually held his own against all the Avengers at once for a time. Red Skull and Malekith each got wrecked by a single Avenger. Ronan has been depicted as a very powerful and capable threat, but that was to a group of unpowered aliens with guns. Thor and Rocket Raccoon are not operating on the same power scale.
If you want to single out someone in this group as a weak link, it's the Red Skull. Ultron's the most formidable one Thanos would theoretically have thus far.
Given the film's implication that Thanos's AI is partially responsible for Ultron, he probably wouldn't even need to do that. There might be a dormant subroutine in Ultron or something that immediately identifies Thanos as master.
edited 24th Sep '16 6:37:19 AM by TobiasDrake
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And, again, Ultron's real power was misdirection and using the Twin's powers to tear the Avengers apart. When he lost the Twins, that's when he began losing the war. (That's also when the Avengers gained Vision, which was a match for Ultron's Internet mind.)
Ultron, I think, was much creepier than Loki.
edited 23rd Sep '16 9:21:12 PM by alliterator