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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#62526: Sep 23rd 2016 at 4:10:40 PM

Honestly I still love the idea someone had where the Red Skull's sole appearance consists of a skeleton with a red skull floating around in the void of space.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#62527: Sep 23rd 2016 at 4:14:50 PM

I really like that. That or a Red Skull demilich ghost. He doesn't need to fight Cap, just taunt him, make him question his choices and cause. A big ghostly head taunting Cap while he drifts through space (in a full suit of Captain Americanized astronaut gear) would be an all-time great image to commit to film.

edited 23rd Sep '16 4:33:39 PM by Unsung

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#62528: Sep 23rd 2016 at 4:29:10 PM

Saw this on the link's comment page.

There's a theory that points out each infinity stone has been used to kill a villain (Skull, Malekith, Ronan, Ultron), so Thanos might resurrect them as part of his army.

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#62529: Sep 23rd 2016 at 4:33:56 PM

OK, Malekith, Ronan, and Ultron have enough power to keep up with the Avengers, but unless Thanos brainwashes them or makes copies of them, I don't see how they'd work in the movie.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#62530: Sep 23rd 2016 at 4:37:41 PM

Well, he'd have the Infinity Gauntlet, and if they were tied to the stones, they possibly wouldn't have much choice in the matter. They'd be his puppets. I could see that happening.

edited 23rd Sep '16 4:37:58 PM by Unsung

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#62531: Sep 23rd 2016 at 4:38:18 PM

Mind Gem.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
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#62532: Sep 23rd 2016 at 4:38:30 PM

Then you'd run into the problem of Red Skull being weaksauce compared to the rest.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#62533: Sep 23rd 2016 at 4:40:57 PM

Maybe he'll serve in an advisory capacity. And Thanos could always power him up, if need be.

I mean, if they do this at all, which is already a big leap.

edited 23rd Sep '16 4:41:27 PM by Unsung

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#62534: Sep 23rd 2016 at 5:00:06 PM

Ultron would be fairly easy to bring back even without the Stone.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#62535: Sep 23rd 2016 at 5:00:54 PM

Red Skull vs Captain America

Ultron vs Iron Man

Malekith vs Thor

Ronan vs Guardians

...I guess the Hulk can fight Thanos himself?

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#62536: Sep 23rd 2016 at 5:03:52 PM

Isn't the Eye of Agamotto (correct my spelling if this is wrong) supposed to be an Infinity Stone now?

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#62537: Sep 23rd 2016 at 5:05:28 PM

If somebody gets sucked into the Time Stone (we're pretty sure that's the Eye of Agamottonote , yeah?) in Doctor Strange, then I guess we'll know this theory's legit. There's still another stone after that, isn't there? And the Hulk's a pretty big part of Ragnarok, since it's also Planet Hulk, right? Maybe there'll be a villain in there who could work. Or maybe it'll be the Hulk himself. Part of me still wants to see a Maestro storyline.

edited 23rd Sep '16 6:24:31 PM by Unsung

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#62538: Sep 23rd 2016 at 5:09:58 PM

There's been no confirmation that Ragnarok will also be a Planet Hulk adaptation, and I think including the Red King in the mix would just distract from Hela and so on.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#62539: Sep 23rd 2016 at 5:18:14 PM

I think the sixth stone won't show up until Infinity War. Maybe the eponymous war will be mostly fought over that one stone, and end with Thanos getting it and the other five to set up for part 2, or whatever it's called now.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#62540: Sep 23rd 2016 at 5:19:59 PM

That could work too.

[up][up] Not expecting a full adaptation of Planet Hulk in Ragnarok, but if we are seeing the Hulk as a gladiator, I suspect they'll at least have the occasional reference.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#62541: Sep 23rd 2016 at 6:23:37 PM

Grandmaster will probably fill in for the Red King

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#62542: Sep 23rd 2016 at 7:22:15 PM

The idea that everyone could be sucked into reliving their worst moments by the Time Stone is a really cool idea, stymied a bit by the fact that they just did "lets give everyone horrifying personal visions" in Ultron.

I would like a Legion of Doom in the MCU (that is, the Masters of Evil), but the best bet for them in Infinity War is, essentially, the plot of the first season of EMH (that is, that they're a group of villains who think they're the Big Bads fighting for world domination, but really they're a bunch of patsies being used by a godlike being to further their own goals - in this case, they would be the Big Bad Wannabes of the first Infinity War movie, while Thanos would take his rightful place at the very end and carry the second).

But all in all, I'd prefer to see them afterwards (or another theory I though was interesting: Infinity War would have one team go into space and confront Thanos, while another stays on Earth to protect it only to be attacked by the Masters), if Marvel isn't afraid of "stepping backwards" and not trying to go for more sequel escalation in the Avengers movies. Although... what with Civil War, you could put them in what is supposedly a specific character's movie, but which features a lot of the other Avengers. Either way, Zemo leading them isn't likely (what with his extreme hatred of the superhero genre, including supervillains themselves). Maybe they'll introduce Justine Hammer.

edited 23rd Sep '16 7:23:14 PM by KnownUnknown

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#62543: Sep 23rd 2016 at 8:34:15 PM

They've already confirmed they have plans for Zemo in a larger capacity, so Zemo leading them isn't actually all that unlikely.

edited 23rd Sep '16 8:34:38 PM by comicwriter

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#62544: Sep 23rd 2016 at 8:49:32 PM

OK, Malekith, Ronan, and Ultron have enough power to keep up with the Avengers

The first two maybe but Ultron spent the entire movie being slapped around by the Avengers. I doubt bringing him back is going to change that unless Thanos gives him a power boost.

If Thanos wants to win, he'll forget about Ultron and bring back Kurse instead. cool

edited 23rd Sep '16 8:53:27 PM by Guy01

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#62545: Sep 23rd 2016 at 9:01:05 PM

The first two maybe but Ultron spent the entire movie being slapped around by the Avengers.
Ultron's bodies got slapped around. Ultron himself lived in the Internet until the very last fight and would have survived everything if the Vision hadn't burned him out of the Internet.

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#62546: Sep 23rd 2016 at 9:08:03 PM

[up]And the difference is? We still saw the physical bodies get humiliated in every fight and that's what would be brought back.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#62547: Sep 23rd 2016 at 9:11:04 PM

Yeah, Age of Ultron showed repeatedly that in a fight against the Avengers, Ultron gets his tail kicked in. His real strength is in misdirection so he get some measure of victory in defeat, which initially works because the Avengers keep falling for it and eventually fails when they start catching on.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#62548: Sep 23rd 2016 at 9:11:23 PM

[up][up]Why would it be? Why not resurrect Ultron's mind and put it in charge of, I don't know, a fleet of alien drones or something?

edited 23rd Sep '16 9:11:33 PM by alliterator

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#62549: Sep 23rd 2016 at 9:12:49 PM

His Vibranium body lasted quite a while, at least.

Remember that he was up against ALL the Avengers, demigods included, whereas folks like Malekith only went up against one Avenger.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#62550: Sep 23rd 2016 at 9:15:49 PM

Vibranium body only lasted because for whatever reason the Avengers stopped firing their super beams of doom.

Same reason why Quicksilver's death falls flat, because it comes after Ultron's schemes are all foiled and he's had every single one of his bodies roundly butt-whupped. He doesn't come off as dangerous, just as though he got a lucky shot.

Coulson's death raised the stakes against Loki, Quicksilver's is way to late to raise the villain cred. So Ultron still was received as a pushover.

edited 23rd Sep '16 9:16:27 PM by Tuckerscreator


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