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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#62501: Sep 22nd 2016 at 8:05:23 PM

That's why they had to change Captain Marvel's origin to be less like Green Lantern's.

Black Panther is MCU Green Lantern.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#62502: Sep 22nd 2016 at 8:34:39 PM

Was wondering what was up with it reacting to Bucky's arm during the scene where he breaks out. Their answer sounds more like they're leaving an opening for Coogler than confirming anything outright though.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#62503: Sep 22nd 2016 at 10:10:33 PM

I thought it was because the ring was Vibranium and was doing something to the metal in his arm, but I guess not.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#62504: Sep 22nd 2016 at 11:57:20 PM

Wakandan anti-metal is a thing that T'Challa and multiple other characters made use of in the Priest comics, so it might be an extrapolation of that.

Seems like Hugo Weaving looks back more fondly on the Red Skull now. Meaning if they decide to call him back now, such as for an encore in Infinity War he might take them up on it.

Also belated congrats on our 2500-pageversary I guess.

edited 23rd Sep '16 12:14:23 AM by AlleyOop

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#62505: Sep 23rd 2016 at 7:37:07 AM

How did it react to the metal in Bucky's arm again? I must have missed that part.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#62506: Sep 23rd 2016 at 8:14:11 AM

There was this humming sound.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#62507: Sep 23rd 2016 at 9:58:39 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if Kevin Feige called up Hugo Weaving and asked him to be in Infinity War.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#62508: Sep 23rd 2016 at 10:03:56 AM

Well, he did get shot into space by the Tesseract, right? So I have to wonder if that wasn't part of the plan all along.

Whether or not Hugo Weaving was in on the plan or wants to come back, I guess that remains to be seen.

edited 23rd Sep '16 10:04:44 AM by Unsung

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#62509: Sep 23rd 2016 at 11:56:25 AM

From what I understand Hugo Weaving's only major complaint on the role was how makeup intensive it was.

I think it would be well worth switching to a digital mo-cap skull if that's what it takes to get Hugo Weaving back without having to legally bully him into doing it. Especially with today's VFX technology.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#62510: Sep 23rd 2016 at 1:12:21 PM

Extensive makeup seems to be something very few actors actually like doing.

Doctor Strange Empire cover.

The Russos talk about Infinity War and how Civil War sets it up:

We always thought of this movie as the start of the war. It's not over yet."

edited 23rd Sep '16 1:25:29 PM by comicwriter

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#62511: Sep 23rd 2016 at 1:13:02 PM

He said that the make-up was uncomfortable, but that he really likes the challenge of acting through a mask or heavy make-up.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#62512: Sep 23rd 2016 at 1:28:47 PM

If he's a wraithlike Infinity Stone zombie they should have good in-universe justification for it anyway.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#62513: Sep 23rd 2016 at 1:42:30 PM

He said in an interview once that it was somewhat freeing to play a villain as scenery-devouringly over-the-top capital-e *Evil* as the Red Skull. I meant that it's just he's been laying low as an actor for the past couple years, since the last LOTR movie. Though I suppose MCU money and a paycheque's as good a reason as any. It probably wouldn't be a huge part, but I hope he does come back in some capacity.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#62514: Sep 23rd 2016 at 1:47:03 PM

Aw, I was just about to post this.

Well whatever.

Was there ever a time when Red Skull was in cahoots with Thanos? The only time I can remember was in the season 1 finale of Avengers Assemble.

Come to think of it, if Red Skull does end up appearing, what are the odds that he'll have a pissing match with Loki? evil grin

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#62515: Sep 23rd 2016 at 2:45:54 PM

In cahoots? I wouldn't put it past comics, but it's almost certainly rare if ever. The Red Skull is so far beneath Thanos it's not even funny. It's one of those "Joker teams up with Zod!" kind of ideas where, with the massive difference in scope, powerset, motive, etc. it's really hard to justify the one ever giving the other the time of day.

Like, if the Red Skull was to return somehow in Infinity War despite being teleported to god-knows-where and then 70 years passing in the interim, it's extremely doubtful he would be, like, a colleague and co-conspirator of Thanos. He'd be a patsy at best. A minion.

And he doesn't really have a skillset that would make for a valuable minion.

edited 23rd Sep '16 2:47:12 PM by TobiasDrake

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#62516: Sep 23rd 2016 at 3:13:47 PM

He can fight but I'm sure a ton of other characters already have that going for him.

The only way I could see it really happening is if Infinity War involves some Legion of Doom-style team fighting the Avengers at some point.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#62517: Sep 23rd 2016 at 3:18:52 PM

[up]I'd like that, but all their villains end up dead. Though I guess Thanos is intimate with Death, so if they wanted to do something really wacky that could work out. Except not, because even most of their dead villains have been pretty second-tier.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#62518: Sep 23rd 2016 at 3:24:11 PM

Red Skull being teleported across the cosmos 70 years ago is a perfect opportunity to have the Guardians of the Galaxy come across a Star Trek style Planet of Nazis.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#62519: Sep 23rd 2016 at 3:27:02 PM

[up]...Marvel. Stop what you're doing. Drop everything. You have a new assignment.

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#62520: Sep 23rd 2016 at 3:30:37 PM

Rocket and a big arsenal on a planet of space Nazis would be the greatest thing in the history of cinema. I guess you could chuck the other Guardians in there also but lets not get greedy.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#62521: Sep 23rd 2016 at 3:33:04 PM

I guess that is the moment to say I told you so. Didn't I predict that civil war would only show the start of the conflict back after it was only announced?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#62522: Sep 23rd 2016 at 3:44:10 PM

Told you that there is a reason that it was the beginning of phase 3.. and later on that there is a reason why they picked the same team for infinity war

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#62523: Sep 23rd 2016 at 3:55:21 PM

[up][up][up]All Marvel movies could use 200 percent more Nazi-killing. Only TWS and Age of Ultron sated my desire for this recently, and it was only the opening scene for the latter.

Looks like we may see Punisher on Agents of SHIELD.

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#62524: Sep 23rd 2016 at 3:58:10 PM

Maybe that means all the Hydra guns are really teleporter guns, and there's a planet of Hydra and US Army soldiers somewhere out there.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#62525: Sep 23rd 2016 at 4:04:11 PM

[up] and

Rocket and a big arsenal on a planet of space Nazis would be the greatest thing in the history of cinema. I guess you could chuck the other Guardians in there also but lets not get greedy.

You have no idea how badly I want that to be the case.

I guess that is the moment to say I told you so. Didn't I predict that civil war would only show the start of the conflict back after it was only announced?

Always made sense to me. Kinda looking forward to them squabbling over who gets Black Panther (probably neither, kind of imagine he'd stay neutral), Doctor Strange, and Captain Marvel, or if this develops into a wedge between Ant-Man and Wasp.

edited 23rd Sep '16 4:06:46 PM by Unsung


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