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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#62127: Sep 7th 2016 at 11:39:38 PM

Yeah, I noticed, except that some of Marvel's more mediocre movies were done in Phase 1 (and early Phase 2...I wonder if Disney actually had a positive effect on the studio since the first movie which was made under Disney from start to finish should be The Winter Soldier), while the Defenders is still going strong. I actually think that the first four episodes of Daredevil season 2 is way stronger than the rest of the series, even if it kind of goes downhill in the end (honestly, I am not sure what they were thinking with those scripts...), Jessica Jones won a Peabody Award (who would have ever thought that a Superhero show would be honoured in this way?) and now it looks like Luke Cake will be another smash hit...to be honest, the show is so relevant to what is currently happening out there, it most likely only needs to be mediocre in order to be praised, but I think Marvel will aim higher than that.

I admit, though, I kind of look forward to Iron Fist the most....though that is most likely because I am curious. He is, after all, the only defender we haven't gotten to see yet.

Something occurred to me concerning Jessica Jones btw: the emphasised so often that Trish would like to do more "serious journalism" instead of lifestyle....can you imagine her eventually becoming some sort of serious reporter and/or spokesperson for superpowered people, with Jessica digging up the dirt and Trish the one who reveals it?

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#62128: Sep 8th 2016 at 5:53:39 PM

I wanna see Iron Fist to check and see if it eases people's worries about Marvel Netflix's treatment of Asians. The whole controversy of Daredevil Season 2 and the failed campaign to get Iron Fist an Asian race lift make me really nervous about it, but I still have the feeling it'll surprise me.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#62129: Sep 8th 2016 at 6:09:55 PM

Same. Also because Scott Buck being showrunner has me worried about its quality in general.

edited 8th Sep '16 6:10:40 PM by AlleyOop

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#62130: Sep 8th 2016 at 6:19:47 PM

Who is Scott Buck?

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#62131: Sep 8th 2016 at 6:25:36 PM

The guy behind Dexter's Seasonal Rot. According to the YMMV page he was also the one who vetoed giving Iron Fist a Race Lift when Marvel themselves were willing to do it. There's no source on that statement, but if it's true, that's pretty damning.

edited 8th Sep '16 6:26:37 PM by AlleyOop

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#62132: Sep 8th 2016 at 6:26:32 PM

Scott Buck is a TV writer who was the showrunner for the later seasons of Dexter, also known as "the bad seasons of Dexter." He's not a completely bad writer, though, and he did inherit a lot of bad stuff from the previous showrunners. He's also written for Rome and Six Feet Under, so that's good.

Melissa Rosenberg was the head writer for the first four seasons of Dexter, i.e. "the good seasons of Dexter." But then again, she also wrote all of the Twilight movies. She was still able to make Jessica Jones into a great show.

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#62133: Sep 8th 2016 at 6:34:33 PM

What episodes of Rome and Six Feet Under did he write? If they're good ones, my faith might go up a bit.

Also, if we're going to be fair here, Marvel does have a track record of hiring people with previously not so good credits and they've made great stuff. John Favreau, James Gunn, and Peyton Reed don't exactly have good track records before Marvel.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#62134: Sep 8th 2016 at 6:39:13 PM

That's true. The Russos were also responsible for You Me and Dupree.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#62135: Sep 8th 2016 at 6:42:48 PM

John Favreau acted and wrote Swingers and Made, and directed the latter. They might not have been blockbuster hits, but they were good. And Elf was...successful. James Gunn has a lot of writing credits, and Slither and Super were pretty well received, although I haven't seen them.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
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#62137: Sep 8th 2016 at 7:14:13 PM

I'd heard Super got rather mixed reviews, but then again I haven't seen it.

I do remember a lot of people gave him flack for writing the Scooby-Doo movies and Movie 43 before Guardians of the Galaxy came out, though.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#62138: Sep 8th 2016 at 7:32:16 PM

Wasn't Movie 43 an anthology? He wouldn't have been the only writer on that. And I can't really comment on Super without having seen it— a mediocre RT score can mean it's not that great, or it can mean it's just a love it or hate it kind of thing. Either way, GOTG was great, so that gamble paid off.

The Russos, too. They were directors on two of the greatest sitcoms ever, but who knew they'd be a good fit for superhero movies?

edited 8th Sep '16 8:46:04 PM by Unsung

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#62139: Sep 8th 2016 at 7:32:16 PM

Wasn't Movie 43 an anthology? He wouldn't have been the only writer on that. And I can't really comment on Super without having seen it— a mediocre RT score can mean it's not that great, or it can mean it's just a love it or hate it kind of thing. Either way, GOTG was great, so that gamble paid off.

The Russos, too. They were directors on two of the greatest sitcoms ever, but who knew they'd be a good fit for superhero movies?

edited 8th Sep '16 8:46:04 PM by Unsung

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#62140: Sep 8th 2016 at 7:35:01 PM

He wrote one part of it. Some weird thing about a cartoon cat getting in the middle of Elizabeth Banks and Josh Duhamel's relationship or something, and it gets weird and gross.

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#62141: Sep 8th 2016 at 8:34:35 PM

[up][up] THAT MOVIE MAKES MY SKIN CRAWL.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#62142: Sep 8th 2016 at 8:34:45 PM

The entirety of Movie 43 is gross. And it's written and directed by a ton of people, including Bob Odenkirk. Apparently, a lot of the actors signed on before anything was written and once they got the scripts, they couldn't get out.

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#62143: Sep 8th 2016 at 8:36:29 PM

[up]EXACTLY!

Despite it, Scott Derrickson still has potential for the Doctor Strange movie to be a success.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#62144: Sep 8th 2016 at 8:44:55 PM

Seems like I don't know anything about this movie. I assumed it was just self-indulgent and pretentious, based on the cast listing and the fact that I never heard anything about it. Evidently it's something much worse.

...Anyway.

edited 8th Sep '16 8:46:25 PM by Unsung

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#62145: Sep 8th 2016 at 9:23:13 PM

Pretentious? No man, it's a gross out movie.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#62146: Sep 8th 2016 at 9:26:47 PM

Well it was like barely even in theatres here (if it ever was), so I've only seen the cover in stores. All I knew was it had a ton of celebrity actors in it, and ruminatory acting-for-other-actors anthology films are what those usually end up being.

edited 9th Sep '16 6:48:46 PM by Unsung

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#62147: Sep 8th 2016 at 9:29:45 PM

Basically one of the Farelly brothers got a bunch of people roped into a movie that they didn't want to be in full of disgusting gross out stuff that took nearly 7 years to be made and caused Richard Roper to call it "the Citizen Kane of bad movies".

I looked up the plot on Wikipedia once, and I felt physically sick reading it.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#62148: Sep 8th 2016 at 11:45:31 PM

The odd thing with the second Scooby movie is that it is one of the very, very rare cases in which a script is actually not bad at all and I can certainly see it working just fine in the hands of a different director. Usually it is the other way around, that a director is working with subpar material, which is why I was for the longest time convinced that you have half won if you start out with a good script...some of the movies Gunn wrote but didn't direct taught me otherwise, though.

This is kind of the problem...film is such a collaborative thing that it is often impossible to say who in this mix-up actually had the good ideas and who was the one responsible for bad ideas prevailing. When I look at the credits of the writers for Doctor Strange I get very, very nervous, but I hope that Marvel did see something in them. I mean, they put a lot of effort into their writers program, don't they? And it seems to pay off.

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#62150: Sep 9th 2016 at 2:14:26 AM

[up] Well, there is a reason he is my fourth-favourite Avenger....


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