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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#61951: Aug 30th 2016 at 4:44:20 PM

Because he killed the king of Wakanda, and T'Challa requested prosecution rights. Killing the King of Wakanda in a bombing in Vienna means both Austria and Wakanda have legal claim to him. This makes Bucky accused of a transnational crime, which means it's between Austria and Wakanda (plus anyone else who has a stake in it) as to who gets to prosecute Bucky first.

Wakanda won first dibs.

edited 30th Aug '16 4:45:03 PM by TobiasDrake

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#61952: Aug 30th 2016 at 4:44:52 PM

[up]x5 Ah, okay. I forgot, been a while. Second-guessing myself.

I'm glad for people like Team Steve who are willing to take those chances, but things could have turned out very differently if Steve's gut had been wrong. I like that the movie is willing to show the consequences— like them all being fugitives, for one— and that Steve is the kind of guy who's willing to accept them. Mostly I'm just glad for a version of Civil War where I can come away from it still feeling like the characters on both sides are still heroes.

[up][up]Nothing except T'Challa throwing a tantrum and calling for the man's head. Does that mean they should hand him over? No, but it means they're probably going to.

I'm not agreeing with it, but I assume that's the basic idea in the script. And T'Challa does eventually realize it's wrong, whatever the more pragmatic diplomats have cooked up in the meantime.

edited 30th Aug '16 5:19:24 PM by Unsung

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#61953: Aug 30th 2016 at 4:53:32 PM

[up] Steve was ready to accept that Bucky might be the killer, he was simply not ready to decide that he is guilty no matter what, because even if he had been responsible for the bombing, it might have been happened under brain-washing. And if Bucky had been guilty, well, either Cap had travelled to Wakanda in order to defend him, or Bucky would have gotten killed by the Black Panther which would have most likely broken Cap.

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#61954: Aug 30th 2016 at 5:30:42 PM

[up]Right, but that's the unfortunate disconnect between the idealized version of America that Steve represents and the Realpolitik world of spies and diplomats he inhabits in these movies. To Be Lawful or Good is very much at the heart of these stories, along with the question of whether or not we— not just Steve, but ourselves as a civilization, as a *planet*— can turn back the clock and believe in fair play and doing the right thing regardless of expedience. The movies don't provide an answer, but the way they ask the question is enough, I think.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#61956: Aug 30th 2016 at 11:18:32 PM

Considering that I am still waiting for damage control, I'll wait for Marvel to make an official announcement before getting excited about anything and even then I want at least a confirmation that a pilot is in the making before I believe that it is actually happening.

Also, Squirrel Girl on a TV budget? with all the CGI they would need for her alone?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#61957: Aug 30th 2016 at 11:48:00 PM

Why would they need CGI for her? Unless they CGI her tail, I think the only CGI they would need would be for Tippy Toe and the other squirrels. Unless they get a real squirrel, which could be interesting.

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#61958: Aug 31st 2016 at 12:26:42 AM

Giving her a big, obviously fake, completely static prop tail would be pretty funny.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#61959: Aug 31st 2016 at 1:01:27 AM

John Barrowman for Squirrel Girl!

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#61960: Aug 31st 2016 at 5:13:17 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlK0cFffW0g

Just to demonstrate how easily you can mislead people about the content of a movie or a show....

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#61962: Aug 31st 2016 at 7:22:44 AM

Oh God yes please Squirrel Girl

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#61963: Aug 31st 2016 at 7:24:35 AM

[up][up][up][up][up][up]Squirrel Girl actually makes more sense to me in the MCU than Damage Control does right now.

I love the premise but I don't feel like there's enough heroes and villains to have that premise consistently work on a weekly basis.

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#61964: Aug 31st 2016 at 7:27:57 AM

Don't see myself watching a Squirrel Girl show, but it does make more sense than Damage Control.

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#61966: Aug 31st 2016 at 7:32:20 AM

I've never been interested in the character, and not because I think she's a one-note gag.

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#61967: Aug 31st 2016 at 7:40:58 AM

Wow that is extremely metal

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#61968: Aug 31st 2016 at 7:43:32 AM

Have to disagree concerning Damage Control. In the wake of Civil War, which is mostly about collateral damage, it would have been the perfect moment to explore the topic in a half joking half serious manner. Also, Shield is still out there, having the damager control team cleaning up messes after operations/events we don't get to see in the show itself would make the organization feel much bigger than it currently seems to be.

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#61969: Aug 31st 2016 at 7:45:57 AM

When it comes to being metal as fuck no heroine can match Gullotine, she who wields A SENTIENT BLOODTHIRSTY DEMON SWORD called THE FLOWER OF EVIL, originally wielded under this oath: "For I am the executioner now. I am punishment without mercy. I am the machine that kills... I AM THE GUILLOTINE!"

It's fucking metal as fuck, dude

edited 31st Aug '16 7:46:18 AM by Gaon

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
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#61970: Aug 31st 2016 at 7:57:40 AM

Yeah I saw her in contest of champions

She's pretty rad

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#61971: Aug 31st 2016 at 8:01:38 AM

Now we need Squirrel Girl and Guillotine to team up.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#61972: Aug 31st 2016 at 8:23:41 AM

It says they're looking at streaming services so I wonder if they plan to do 2 shows on Hulu.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#61973: Aug 31st 2016 at 8:28:57 AM

I don't understand why they're spreading out to Hulu at all.

edited 31st Aug '16 8:30:58 AM by VeryMelon

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#61974: Aug 31st 2016 at 8:34:20 AM

Because Netflix has other things to air than Marvel shows and already has too much on its plate, hence the inconsistent schedules for the shows.

And Hulu has some great shows on it.

edited 31st Aug '16 8:34:44 AM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#61975: Aug 31st 2016 at 8:38:13 AM

Well, the Netflix schedule is full, plus, Netflix is pretty much the "defenders worlds". ABC is kind of the "spy world", though I guess the main reason why they don't take in more shows is because ABC standards are very high so the Marvel shows kind of don't pull enough viewers (sadly, both shows deserved better). As far as I know Hulu is owned partly by ABC which is in turn owned by Disney, and Hulu really could use some shows which draw attention. Having Marvel shows would be a good draw, and for Disney it is a win/win situation.


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