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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#61801: Aug 24th 2016 at 9:36:59 AM

What's dumber is that Thor didn't try to let go the entire time they were jumping into space

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#61802: Aug 24th 2016 at 9:45:50 AM

I kinda like that the question of Vision's worthiness is left unanswered at the end. It's entirely possible that science has trumped Odin's magic by exploiting a loophole regarding unliving objects, or it's entirely possible that they've "merely" created a sentient being that happens to fit the magic's requirements of worthiness.

Either way it's kinda Clarke's Third Law-y.

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#61803: Aug 24th 2016 at 9:51:45 AM

Because of the tone of the elevator discussion, I always read it as an ego saving thing far more than a legitimate point.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#61804: Aug 24th 2016 at 9:55:33 AM

I liked the Loophole Abuse in Avengers Assemble where Thanos used the hammer against Thor by bashing him into it rather than the other way around.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#61805: Aug 24th 2016 at 10:14:56 AM

That's only in the Ultimate Universe where the hammer has no enchantments. You just have to be physically strong enough to lift

That's how it was in the original myths, too. Thor needed special gloves to increase his strength so that he could lift the hammer.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#61806: Aug 24th 2016 at 10:16:23 AM

I never liked Vision lifting the hammer because it's a blatant cheat to skip having to spend any time establishing that the new guy was good enough to ride with the Avengers or develop his character before the action started, at the expense of a dramatic moment that would've probably been more effective elsewhere.

edited 24th Aug '16 10:17:33 AM by KnownUnknown

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#61807: Aug 24th 2016 at 11:16:59 AM

Deleted scene.

edited 24th Aug '16 11:17:49 AM by comicwriter

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#61808: Aug 24th 2016 at 11:38:21 AM

The worthiness debate again? Wow, must be a slow day. tongue

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#61809: Aug 24th 2016 at 11:44:49 AM

It's such an easy debate to resolve, too. Just stick Mjolnir on a Roomba and see what happens. [lol]

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#61810: Aug 24th 2016 at 11:46:11 AM

Damn, why did they cut this?

But at least that explains where the scene with Black Widow from the trailer roughly fits in...

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#61811: Aug 24th 2016 at 12:22:46 PM

Damn, I know the editing wasn't finished but it makes it look like War Machine's going for the kill.

edited 24th Aug '16 12:24:36 PM by AlleyOop

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#61812: Aug 24th 2016 at 1:06:14 PM

But what if Roomba is worthy?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#61815: Aug 24th 2016 at 3:24:38 PM

Mmmm...either a director with experience in the television world or one which has writing experience might not be a bad pick....

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#61816: Aug 24th 2016 at 4:10:41 PM

If someone's not worthy, they can't lift the hammer, but what about just dragging the hammer along the ground?

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#61817: Aug 24th 2016 at 4:16:11 PM

That doesn't work either. The enchantment isn't "can't lift the hammer". If it was people could still knock it over. It seems to behave through selective applications of Newton's First Law. It only responds to actions from an external force if the thing generating that force is worthy.

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#61818: Aug 24th 2016 at 4:25:35 PM

If the person generating the force is worthy. Left to its own devices, it still obeys gravity and it moves with the planet's rotation. If Mjolnir truly could not be acted upon even by objects that were unworthy, then it wouldn't be stationary to our eyes. It would remain in a fixed position as the universe moves around it, creating the appearance that it's flying about erratically and plowing violently through any object in its path in the short time before it flies off into space.

Immobility is an illusion created by perspective.

edited 24th Aug '16 4:26:54 PM by TobiasDrake

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#61819: Aug 24th 2016 at 4:27:25 PM

Fair point. I suppose entity is a better term than thing. It follows natural universal laws like gravity just fine but if there's some kind of conscious mind at work it won't budge.

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#61820: Aug 24th 2016 at 4:47:44 PM

So lemme get this straight:

Phoenix! Cyclops once removed all the fault lines on Earth? Like, that's something that actually happened in comics?

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#61821: Aug 24th 2016 at 4:53:40 PM

It was another stupid event in a long line of stupid event comics.

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#61822: Aug 24th 2016 at 5:48:59 PM

[up][up]Jesus, I know fuck all about the science there, but that still just sounds like a Really Bad Idea!

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it's a living
#61823: Aug 24th 2016 at 6:00:50 PM

Please kickstart my invention, the hermetically-sealed teakettle. Everyone who backs us for at least $1 will get pdf instructions on how to heat an egg in the microwave.

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#61824: Aug 24th 2016 at 8:15:33 PM

Somehow I doubt the relevance to the topic at hand.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#61825: Aug 24th 2016 at 8:25:17 PM

Thankfully, Reddit knows the answer!

I wouldn't recommend doing this. Eathquakes radiate the Earth's excess rotational energy off into space. Sealing all the fault lines would cause us to spin faster and faster until we all fall off the planet!

Okay, perhaps they don't know the answer (we wouldn't fall off the planet, that's stupid). But I'm pretty sure that sealing fault lines would cause pressure to build up and then eventually break the seal, resulting in a more devastating earthquake.

edited 24th Aug '16 8:29:45 PM by alliterator


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