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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#61526: Aug 13th 2016 at 5:10:49 PM

Hey, at least he didn't look like this.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#61527: Aug 13th 2016 at 5:39:21 PM

Although it's possible her outfit is bullet-proof via some sort of kevlar leather.

Nick Fury should've made his jacket out of that. tongue

And then Widow and Hawkeye and anyone without armor should be wearing bulletproof leather masks. The entire military, revolutionized.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#61528: Aug 13th 2016 at 5:42:08 PM

There's always the basic answer for any sort of "why comic book super science doesn't spread out to the world" question: It's too expensive/complicated/rare to mass-produce.

edited 13th Aug '16 5:46:32 PM by Gaon

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#61529: Aug 13th 2016 at 5:45:27 PM

Probably one of the biggest Superman Stays Out of Gotham questions for the Avengers has always been why don't Tony and T'Challa outfit the other non-powered members with armor and protective gear. The closest they ever got was Hawkeye saying he hates wearing body armor because it slows him down and impedes his movement.

Looks like despite the doubts, the Warriors 3 will be back in Ragnarok.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#61530: Aug 13th 2016 at 6:32:31 PM

But cap is Super-stealthy! He even taught Falcon how to use the cap and sunglass look to great effect!

dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#61531: Aug 13th 2016 at 7:29:17 PM

[up][[up] It bothers me that the three warriors are shown as very weak in the movies. (I dare to say that Squishy Wizard Loki is stronger than them.)

In the first film, they wasn't a match against the destroyer, which he was easily defeated by Thor .

But surely they are training, in order to be useful against Loki, Fenri, Surtur and Hela.

edited 13th Aug '16 7:29:59 PM by dantecito

thatguywhotypesstuff Since: Jul, 2011
#61532: Aug 13th 2016 at 7:32:28 PM

I could have sworn I read something about Black Widow being as old as Cap. She was given a serum similar to the super soldier one that allowed her to keep that youthful appearance. Is that still valid or was it retconned?

dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#61533: Aug 13th 2016 at 7:35:56 PM

[up]If she turns out to be a super-soldier, then is very weak by the standards of a super-soldier.

edited 13th Aug '16 7:38:55 PM by dantecito

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#61534: Aug 13th 2016 at 7:53:03 PM

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In the comics, Black Widow and Nick Fury (the white one) are recipients of the Infinity Formula which isn't as strong as Cap's Super Serum but does slow their aging long enough they can still be youthful in the modern era. That doesn't seem to be the case for either of them in the MCU.

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#61535: Aug 13th 2016 at 8:37:38 PM

I could see Black Widow being put into the KGB at age 5, as it was the KGB she kept calling it that name even after it changed its name. I'm sure there are real people in the FSB who still say KGB out of habit.

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#61536: Aug 14th 2016 at 6:08:06 AM

So basically the Infinity Serum is a handwave for the sliding time scale

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#61537: Aug 14th 2016 at 6:58:38 AM

It bothers me that the three warriors are shown as very weak in the movies.

They really aren't though. They hold their own in battle just fine every other time they're in a fight. It's just that the Destroyer is obviously quite stronger than the average foe.

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#61538: Aug 14th 2016 at 7:10:02 AM

Also Thor doesn't beat the Destroyer through normal combat anyway.

He has an epiphany limit break or whatever.

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#61539: Aug 14th 2016 at 9:08:14 AM

Both the Destroyer and Kurse were REALLY nerfed power-wise. And yeah, a lot of the characters have been, but those two stood out particularly because of the sheer scale of the nerfing. And it led to two really disappointing/underwhelming confrontations.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#61540: Aug 14th 2016 at 11:30:04 AM

Predictably, I like Cap's Stealth Suit the best, but I do like most of his uniforms, except for - again, predictably - the one in Avengers. I also usually like Natasha's hair, but here, I vastly prefer the cut in Avengers. Seems more her, somehow. I wouldn't be surprised if her birthdate in TWS was fake, but I could imagine that in their universe, the KGB actually stuck around longer than in the real world.

OMG, who sneaked a link to a Liefeld drawing in here. My eyes!

edited 14th Aug '16 11:30:16 AM by hollygoolightly

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#61541: Aug 14th 2016 at 11:38:18 AM

I will give the Avengers suit an A for effort because I can appreciate Whedon trying to make Cap look closer to the comics. It just...really didn't work well.

As for the Warriors 3 I suspect if they're still involved then Sif will be as well.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#61542: Aug 14th 2016 at 11:48:26 AM

[up]I remember Jaime Alexander saying something along the lines of "people shouldn't be worried." And the only ones where we actually know they won't appear are Jane and Selvig.

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#61543: Aug 14th 2016 at 8:13:34 PM

Also Thor doesn't beat the Destroyer through normal combat anyway.

He has an epiphany limit break or whatever.

This. The Destroyer's defeat was extremely anticlimactic as a consequence of the guys making Thor spending way too much time building up a character who isn't present in the film to be a threat, but rather to fulfill a very precise narrative purpose.

Ultimately, the point of the Destroyer was to set up Thor's Jesus moment so he could reclaim Mjolnir and head back to Asgard for the climax. So they built it up and built it up and showed it handily whupping the Warriors Three, all to set up this moment. But actually fighting the Destroyer wasn't what its scene was about, so once Thor had the hammer back....

Well, they STILL had this ungodly thing to deal with, which they'd spent so much time developing as a credible threat that you'd be forgiven for thinking it was going to be the villain or something. But the villain was Loki and Thor needed to go deal with that, not spend half an hour having an epic blow-out with the Destroyer. So the Destroyer was wrapped up as quick as possible by just having the newly re-powered Thor effortlessly demolish it to show off how awesome he is, without a care for how anticlimactic it is because it's not supposed to be the climax anyway.

End result is way too much build-up for a character that was meant to be more of a narrative utility than a serious foe. It's basically like if Winter Soldier prefaced the "Cap hands Batroc a smack-down" scene by spending 2/3 of the movie talking about how dangerous Batroc is and then had Batroc defeat Widow and Falcon simultaneously. But still had the same short, entirely one-sided curbstomp when it came Cap's time to fight him.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#61545: Aug 15th 2016 at 8:19:29 AM

Getting an error message when I click on that URL.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#61546: Aug 15th 2016 at 8:25:11 AM

Basically, it confused test audiences. Some of them believed that Loki controlled Ultron. (see, no need for you to activate the click bait of the day).

edited 15th Aug '16 8:25:46 AM by Swanpride

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#61547: Aug 15th 2016 at 9:18:38 AM

On the subject of of Thor Ragnarok, since Surtur has been confirmed without an associated actor do you think he'll be a CG construct or voiced by one of the other actors, maybe even Ruffalo? If that's the case I really hope he's executed better than the villains were in Suicide Squad.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#61548: Aug 15th 2016 at 9:59:58 AM

[up][up]Chill. If we didn't discuss articles it'd just be rehashing the same three discussions in here over and over.

....Which already happens but I guess it'd be more frequent.

[up]Not necessarily. They might not have announced or even cast someone to voice him yet. A voice actor for Colossus in Deadpool was only revealed very late in the game as I recall.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#61549: Aug 15th 2016 at 10:15:34 AM

It also depends on how big a role he has as well. As I recall, Josh Brolin was confirmed as Thanos until pretty late in the game as well (since his role in GOTG was quite small).

I think that Hela will be the main villain and Surtur is more of a force of destruction that needs to be stopped in the third act.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#61550: Aug 15th 2016 at 10:26:26 AM

Then of course there's like I pointed out earlier, the initial press release probably wasn't the full cast since it didn't mention Ray Stevenson or Asano Tadanobu, both of whom seem more or less confirmed for the movie now.


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